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Why doing a PhD was my biggest mistake
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I know, right?! I guess I'm another 9 months away from explicity writing just that.


I hope not; and I hope I'm employed by then, too.

In being frank about my job hunting experiences, I also hope I'm not demoralising candidates nearing submission and wondering what follows.

In any case, while it's sensible to consider the future and maximise possibilities, you have to focus principally on submitting, defending (and probably to at least some degree correcting) your thesis. So keep your spirits up and don't assume there's nothing on offer after the PhD!

Why doing a PhD was my biggest mistake
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they are worried about investing their time in you should you 'find something better.' Do what you can to alleviate those fears.


Alleviating such fears requires a level of dialogue often absent in job application processes.

Short of stating on a CV or in a covering letter that "I won't run off six weeks after starting," it's hard to make this clear, whilst employers often glance at each application, or use automated processes to pre-screen candidates.

While I'm grateful of the advice above, I've tailored my CV to individual jobs, registered with a specialist agency, etc., and I'm still getting nowhere fast. I'm not sure what else to do, beyond sticking at it and trying to remain positive. (I appreciate there's little evidence of positivity in my contributions to this thread, though the forum offers space to air my frustrations.)

Why doing a PhD was my biggest mistake
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You're far from alone.

I deposited my thesis a while back and I've applied for a similar number of jobs.

Being told you're overqualified is demoralising, though it's at least some feedback.

More typically, I receive automated emails advising that "due to the high number of applications we cannot provide individual feedback."

One of my biggest difficulties is working out which jobs to apply for, what are reasonable salary expectations, and where to pitch myself more generally. It's hard to tell whether I'm being too ambitious, not ambitious enough, or shooting roughly on target but have been unlucky (it's competitive wherever you're looking for work, right?).

Sorry, I'm not offering much comfort here, though I'm feeling down and frustrated today.

If I perk up tomorrow I'll offer a more positive view.

Fully Funded PHD: The Worst Career Decision I've EVER Made
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Oh, and excuse the typos above. So much for attention to detail!

Fully Funded PHD: The Worst Career Decision I've EVER Made
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Quote From MurderOfCrows:


Personally, I'm not a person who has no experience. I worked 6 years in hospitality as a bar supervisor, and 12 months as a lead receptionist in mental healthcare. So, I do have the experience! But employers can't look past my Master's degree. It feels so degrading that I now have to delete it from my CV and job applications



I'm not sure you need to delete this qualification from your CV.

I think it's a question of framing and communicating, in as clear a way as possible, how the skills you've acquired relate to any job you apply for.

I struggle to think of single job that doesn't demand effective communication skills, and as humanities PhDs we're great communicators. Similarly, you can't finish a PhD without a great deal of tenacity and attention to detail.

Of course I may be naive. I'll certainly include my PhD on job applications, and I'll emphasise how the skills I've gained will benefit employers. I may be back here whining several months (or possibly years) later. I hope not.

Keep at it. In the end, that's all you can do...

Fully Funded PHD: The Worst Career Decision I've EVER Made
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Quote From MurderOfCrows:


May I ask, how do you manage to stay motivated? Did you enjoy your PhD when you were in the process of completing it? One of the problems we consistently suffer from in this society is "anti-intellectualism." Employers do not want people who are academically intelligent; many degrees are pushed aside as "mickey mouse" courses (I blame the media for this); and, I personally believe there is a high degree of envy swirling around company's and organisations, particularly from the managers we are most likely more qualified than!

MoC


I enjoyed my PhD, though by the end of writing up I questioned whether I'd want to undertake such a large project again.

You say you enjoy writing. Me too (as possibly apparent given the length of this post). That helps a great deal. For me, writing up was the fun part; and I enjoyed editing and refining my thesis too. I know of others who found writing up a chore.

With regard to anti-intellectualism, the MD of the company I previously worked for openly stated that he'd "never promote anyone smarter than he was" (and he wasn't so smart). That doesn't mean I think PhDs are smarter than everyone else. I know too many smart people without advanced degrees to buy into any such notion. (In fact, given our current job opportunities those avaoiding higher education may be the smartest of all.)

At the same time, I've met a few people (though thankfully far from everyone) who have acted differently after I explained that I was studying for a PhD. It's as if I suddenly screamed "I think I'm smarter than you," when that's not what I think at all. Those people can take comfort in the knowledge that they'll probably get to retire, while I have serious doubts about my own prospects in this sense. I started my PhD soon after the recession hit; and at least I was guaranteed an income for three years.

Fully Funded PHD: The Worst Career Decision I've EVER Made
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Quote From MurderOfCrows:


Can I ask, what is your PhD in, and how many publications, conference talks and papers do you have at this point?

MoC


My PhD was in film studies, so a "Mickey Mouse subject," according to some commentators.

The fact that I worked with (and integrated and expanded) complex theoretical models, conducted substantial primary research, and wove these elements together to form a tight narrative and thesis is of little consequence to many from non-academic backgrounds.

I'm sure many people who haven't undertaken PhD research have little sense of what's involved (that's not a criticism, why would they?) and just how much you sacrifice. A small research problem can overtake your life. I worked harder whilst studying for my PhD than in my previous full time jobs, and those jobs were stressful and demanded longer hours than a nine-to-five.

Anyway, I'm digressing.

In answer to your question, I've delivered four conference papers and have no publications. My PhD was funded, and I prioritised finishing before that funding stopped. I also taught and performed an editorial role for a peer reviewed journal. If I wanted to stay in academia I'd now have to prioritise publication, though I know of others who took longer to finish, published, and are existing on temporary low paid teaching contracts. A friend recently finished a three year teaching contract that was not renewed. I'm not sure I need that kind of instability in my life, at least at this stage.

Fully Funded PHD: The Worst Career Decision I've EVER Made
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Fled, thanks for your comments.

And HazyJane, thanks also (I'm not sure if you were responding to the original post, my post, or perhaps both; in any case, your observations seen relevant to my situation).

My circumstances are quite complicated, as I have responsibilities as a carer that would prohibit any move. If I was offered teaching work in another part of the UK, or indeed abroad, I'd have to regretfully decline. Because I'm limited to job hunting in cities within commutable distance, the odds of landing a full time (or even part time) academic position are even less favourable. To add to this difficulty, I'm also a relatively mature student. I'd dearly like to live in my own house again. This becomes impossible if I'm on a temporary contract, as there's no way I'd be offered a mortgage.

At the same time, it'll be tough to sell my humanities PhD to non-academic employers, even if I emphasise prior work experience and transferable skills.

I think I need to take things one step at a time. Finish minor corrections first (I'm nearly there!) and make big decisions once I've cleared the decks and can give them my full attention.

MoC, any progress or further thoughts from your end?

Fully Funded PHD: The Worst Career Decision I've EVER Made
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I'm not sure how to respond, other than stressing that you're not alone in your predicament. (That's not too reassuring, I know, and I'm not trying to be the voice of doom.)

I'm currently finishing minor corrections. Once these are done I'll be looking for a job, and the prospects aren't great, in or outside of academia.

My chances of landing a senior lecturer position are negligible without several years on low paid temporary contracts and a more substantial research profile. (Even then it would be difficult to secure stable academic employment.) I would also be unable to get a mortgage or comfortably sustain myself. Post-docs in my subject are extremely rare, too.

I worked for more than a decade before returning to academia, and while I couldn't stand my job, it paid relatively well and was secure. I think I'd struggle to land the same job again, and I lack the requisite experience for anything else. I'm also not so young now, which may count against me (unofficially, of course) if seeking to a non-academic job.

I'm telling myself that I'll be OK if I can find a job that loosely fits my earlier work experience and I foreground "transferable skills" on job applications, CVs, and in interview (assuming I get to the interview stage). However, I'm concerned about my job prospects. And I wonder if I'd have been better off sticking with my earlier, admittedly soul crushing job.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm also not entitled to benefits of any description, due to DWP small print that's too long and dull to explicate here. And I've tried to find temporary work and low paid jobs as stop-gaps, but employers have been dismissive, too. My family are far from wealthy, and I'm currently depending on family for bed and board. This situation isn't tenable in the long run.

In short, I'm extremely anxious and unsure what the future holds.

Academia and personality type
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That's hardly a mature or considered response.

I find it telling that you accuse me of being disrespectful, yet you're happy to trade in cheap insults rather than engage with any of the points I've raised.

Academia and personality type
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I didn't claim to know you better than you know yourself. (Clearly I don't know you at all.)

I was merely highlighting problems with the Myers-Briggs indicators; and you still haven't addressed any of my points about those problems. Rather you've reasserted that the test and personality descriptors are "100% accurate," because they feel right to you.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't make for a persuasive argument; and as academics or would-be-academics, we need to respond to questions and criticisms by working through any points raised, disproving alternative hypotheses, or acknowledging valid criticism and changing our position accordingly.

I'll leave it there. For the record, my objective wasn't to "disrespect" you, but to outline and support an alternative view.

Academia and personality type
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I'm sorry if this comes across as antagonistic, Timmy, but you've said precisely the same thing again, without making an effort to address my points about language and taxonomy.

You've also referenced just one example (based on your own subjective evaluations) to argue for MTBI descriptors' absolute accuracy or infallibility.

Since this forum is for academics (in practice or in training), our methods and conclusions should be informed by considerably greater rigour than you've applied here.

I'll admit that my horoscope analogy was hyperbolic and used for effect; but this doesn't mean the Myers-Briggs test is a reliable indicator of personality types and their demarcations, which are inevitably problematic, for the reasons I've stated above.

Furthermore, the test derives from Jungian "theory," and thus exists to at least some degree at the level of abstraction; or put another way, is beyond absolute empiricism. (For the record, I'm from a humanities background, so my comments aren't "anti-theory." However, I recognise theory's limitations in particular contexts, including this one.)

Academia and personality type
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To paraphrase, "INTJ descriptors feel right to me, therefore the Myers-Briggs system works perfectly."

I'm honestly not trying to be controversial or confrontational, but perhaps you could address some of my observations above, by explaining how we might construct a perfect taxonomic system (in any context), or account for any system of language in ways that resolve issues of polysemy and appropriation.

Academia and personality type
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I'm sorry to disagree, Timmy, but claims that "descriptors" are "100% accurate" are by definition hyperbole.

I'm no expert in linguistic theory, but I know that language is polysemic, and thus open to manifold interpretations and appropriations.

Moreover, taxonomies (which I know a little more about) are always problematic, especially when we're seeking to classify something as subjective or imprecise as "personality types."

I have no concerns about people identifying with one of the Myers-Briggs personality types, but we shouldn't conclude that it's an infallible system because the results feel right, or were consistent when repeated in certain examples.

Academia and personality type
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I was also classified as INFJ when I completed the Myer-Briggs test several years ago.

Given that INFJ is reportedly the rarest personality type, we seem in plentiful supply in academia.

Perhaps INFJs are attracted to isolating research; or maybe Myers-Briggs personality types are like horoscopes -- we can always identify with loose, multivalent descriptions.