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Thread: Final year support thread

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25-Jul-16, 15:09
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Yep, in fact I'm submitting my thesis only today haha. Just ran out of money basically. And as others have said, filling in applications does get easier with time, it becomes more of a copy paste exercise as most essential and desirable qualities are fundamentally the same. The main thing I found frustrating was how every job has a different system where you have to fill in everything on your CV into boxes and it takes aaaaages to do. What happened to sending off your super professional CV that you worked on for ages? haha


The requirement to input your CV into boxes is the most frustrating part! I tend to tackle that first before coming back a day or two later to write the covering letter so I can calm down!

Thread: Final year support thread

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25-Jul-16, 15:08
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I've just re-designed my CV! Haha. I've almost completed my first proper application. My cover letter is one page and CV is around 5 pages. Does that sound about right?


Ooh, I'll keep my fingeres crossed for you! My CV is only 2 pages long, I've been told to not go over that. Although I'm not sure if there's more leeway for academic CVs... I also don't think I ever sent off an actual CV so basically, don't listen to me haha. The cover letter sounds about right from my experience, does the job advert not specify a length? From what I remember they usually did and this was generally 1-2 pages.


Hugh, yes academic CVs are longer- typically 5-7 pages. Mine is 5 pages if this reassures you! Also cover letters are preferred to be one page or not much over (page and half tops). The funny thing is, I have worked in careers advice and for councils helping long term unemployed back into work and education. I have successfully secured jobs for many other people, but I can't seem to land one for myself haha :)

Thread: Final year support thread

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22-Jul-16, 09:08
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Hi Hugh,

In all honesty, I would just apply and make sure you tailor your experience and skills to the post as much as you can! I applied for one and I was in the same boat and this is what I did. I wasn't shortlisted but I felt it was worth applying as after that initial application, I got faster at the others. I have noticed the quality of my supporting statements improve the more I have applied for :) It is a slog but one that we have to go through!

Thread: Final year support thread

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20-Jul-16, 17:19
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I am looking at academic and non-academic posts too. I would ideally like to stay in research, but I think the short-term contracts and pressure for publication is going to get frustrating. I'm therefore looking for RA posts instead of post-docs.

People love to ask me: so what are your plans post-PhD, and its turned into one of those dreaded questions.

On another note, I had a question about proof reading, that I've posted in the main thread too:

should i tell my supervisor I'm using a professional proof reader? Or is it better I keep that quiet?


Hugh- There is no issue with proof-reading as far as everyone in my department is concerned. All the PhDs before me used one and passed details of proof readers onto us for when we needed them. A friend in my department was awarded minor corrections and told to have her thesis professionally proof read before submitting the corrections, so it is a perfectly acceptable thing to do!

TreeofLife- I am currently applying for one professional services job but it is closely related to my thesis so I hope this may help. I have also worked with them casually before. What you are saying is helpful though, and I am happy you have realised which direction you would like to go in :) So I guess be super super enthusiastic if I get shortlisted? haha

Thread: Final year support thread

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20-Jul-16, 11:51
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I am the same- I don't want to relocate as my partner has a good job here and i have moved a crazy amount of times in the past.

I am applying for a mix of academic e.g. research/teaching and non-academic jobs that are within universities e.g. those in professional services. I am really not fussy on that front, I just want some money coming in so I can keep a roof over my head. Also, if you take a job and dislike it, you are not bound to that role forever and can move on. So this has informed my approach of applying for absolutely anything within universities!

Thread: Final year support thread

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20-Jul-16, 08:35
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Zutterfly you have inspired me to fill my 1st job application form! I don't expect to get it tbh, but if I don't apply I won't know!


Woohoo, I am inspirational! haha

Yes I think there is no harm in starting the applications now, even if nothing comes of it, it is good practice :) After my first few applications I am getting faster as I am able to reuse bits of cover letters and tweak them. I am currently on with my 5th- I wasn't shortlisted for two and the other two I am still awaiting the outcome. I was a bit disheartened in the early stages but a good thing to remember is it takes lots of applications to get a role. I was recently at a conference and people were telling me it took between 100-120 applications to get their current jobs :o

Thread: Final year support thread

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19-Jul-16, 11:13
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posted about 6 months ago
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Zutterfly, good luck with your surgery! Definitely take time off, you will need it.

Chickpea, sorry to hear your week hasn't been as productive. Mine hasn't either. I don't know if its the heat, or the fact that I've had household stuff to sort out. I'm hoping tomorrow will be much more productive for you and me, and we can get down to work!


I am right there with you guys- I worked for a couple of hours yesterday then went to visit a friend (they are due to have a baby soon!)

Today I have barely done anything, but I am determined to finish this dreaded policy section in my introduction chapter! I will feel better when it is done :)

Chickpea- snap, my partner is away this week on holiday so I have an empty flat. I keep getting distracted with household stuff. Laundry becomes so fascinating when you are facing a bit of writing that you are dreading completing!

Thread: Final year support thread

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19-Jul-16, 08:00
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I am taking ten days off in August but its because I am having minor surgery (for breathing issues) and I cannot leave the house for a good week. I will be a bit bruised and swollen. I will still be working from home when I feel up to it, but I am officially on annual leave so I can avoid meetings etc. I am not too worried about taking time off at this stage and I think if you feel you would benefit from a rest then do it :) even if it is just a long weekend.

I am honestly hoping that my sup will be a bit faster as I am coming to the end and I hope that is the case with you too Hugh!

What is everyone up to this week?

Thread: Final year support thread

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18-Jul-16, 14:31
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Hi Hugh, thanks for the sympathies haha I got it submitted and aiming to do another this week- initially I had 3 to do this week but I am so strapped for time I am having to be selective over the ones I am applying for while still writing the PhD.

Word counts, argghh- I am also 20k over, but I am editing from the start of the thesis chronologically and plan to cut stuff as I edit (hopefully!)

Submission- aiming for the draft to be submitted October at the very latest. Actual submission may be December as my sup has to read it all and they are always super busy, so that part is out of my hands really (frustrating!)

Thread: Final year support thread

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17-Jul-16, 11:42
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Hi all, what are your plans this week? Anything nice planned?


Late to the party, but I returned from a conference abroad the other day. I had a rest and now I am trying to sort another job application by the end of today, and I have a few more to apply for over the coming week.

As for the PhD, I will be returning to the editing on Monday. I am feeling a bit gloomy about it all recently as I am struggling to balance the time and effort of job applications with the editing of the thesis. When I am working on one, I am fretting over the other!

Thread: Final year support thread

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09-Jul-16, 06:12
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posted about 6 months ago
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I use a single quotation for any quotes, and double quotation for quotes within a quote...e.g. if a participant says 'so my mum said "why are you applying there?" and I thought...' (completely made up quote). I hope that makes sense!


Perfect, thank you! I'm going to copy that! :)


Glad it helped :)

Thread: The Postgraduate Moans Thread

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08-Jul-16, 18:53
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I would just like to moan about applying (and being rejected) for jobs. I would also like to add that it is not helpful when your sup wonders why you aren't going for jobs that are about a quarter of the hours of part time hours, and perceiving you as being unrealistic for wanting a job that covers the rent.

Thread: Final year support thread

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08-Jul-16, 11:10
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We will have to keep updating each other when we are cutting word counts for motivation haha


Will do :) It is going to be a pain!

On another note, when do you use double quotation (") and single quotation (')? I'm so confused!


I use a single quotation for any quotes, and double quotation for quotes within a quote...e.g. if a participant says 'so my mum said "why are you applying there?" and I thought...' (completely made up quote). I hope that makes sense!

Thread: Final year support thread

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07-Jul-16, 18:50
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Zutterfly: that's true, better to include at first, and then take it out. I'll do that, thank you!

I think I'm going to have to cut about 10K too.


I think that worrying about cutting before the full draft is together will just be too distracting, so I think it is the best plan!

We will have to keep updating each other when we are cutting word counts for motivation haha

Thread: Final year support thread

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07-Jul-16, 16:54
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I also worry about repetition, but I really think it is best to have the whole thesis draft before attempting to identify and edit this. I imagine that it will be much easier to detect and address once you have a full thesis draft- or at least I hope...I have about 12k to cut from my thesis!

I did consider putting the coding framework in the appendices and I think I may do this. My appendices are already very long though. I was reassured by a friend who submitted at my institution last year that they can bind up to 500 pages in one file, so it may be worth checking with the printing services at your institution. Even at present with my overly long thesis and appendices, it doesn't hit 500 pages. I plan to deal with the appendices in one 'chunk' of time later and see if there are any that are worth leaving out.
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