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Thread: Weird question about potential collaboration / etiquette etc

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14-Nov-19, 17:21
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posted about 6 months ago
Thanks rewt. It's not too late, and that is a good idea.

Thread: Bewildered and confused by supervisor

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14-Nov-19, 17:18
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I'm keen to learn more about the situation from drwubs. I think my opinion and the advice I gave got formed quite quickly on reading this:

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Hi,
He then went on a monologue discussing his doubts about my abilities in every area.


I see no justification for this approach, even if drwubs does have strong weaknesses in every area (which by the sounds of it they don't). Perhaps pm133 and rewt are seeing more of the nuances in the situation. I do tend to see things in black and white when it comes to supervisory relationships - probably shaped by my own experience and wishing I'd been more assertive and changed supervisors earlier on when I saw that it wasn't a good match. I have a strong belief that mentoring / supervisory relationships should be positive / nurturing / encourage growth - as opposed to critical and negative - even though each person's styles and the amount and type of input will differ.

Thread: Bewildered and confused by supervisor

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14-Nov-19, 10:19
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posted about 6 months ago
You sound confident and sorted about your working style and your work. Self-aware might be the word I am looking for! I think you need a supervisor who can get along with this and one who doesn't criticize and express doubts in your abilities - not healthy - even if you think it won't affect you at the time, it will, believe me! My only advice would be seek to change supervisor asap.

Thread: Help me ! My viva is very soon

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14-Nov-19, 10:13
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You can't change anything now of course, but it is great that you are aware of potential limitations and aspects that might come up in the viva. Be ready to defend what you have done and also ready to acknowledge where you think there are limitations. I think that's all you can do. Also, it is natural to go into panic mode and think the thesis has lots of problems just before the viva. So what you are thinking of as big issues and weaknesses might actually be much smaller in reality. All the best!

Thread: Weird question about potential collaboration / etiquette etc

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13-Nov-19, 11:05
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Cheers! I actually find it a bit strange... my question could just be answered in an email.

Thread: Weird question about potential collaboration / etiquette etc

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12-Nov-19, 11:19
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Hi there,

I'm working on some data (with a professor I've collaborated with in the past). The stats I need to do are pretty complex and so I'd dropped a line to an author of a stats book I'm using just asking him to clarify something (I often do this and usually get helpful replies from people). Anyway, he has very helpfully replied saying why don't we Skype and talk about it in more detail. I'm thinking, wow that is great and how nice of him. But then I'm also thinking since he would be giving his time to help me perhaps the expectation or implication would be that he becomes a collaborator on the project. I may be getting ahead of myself here, but the reason I am being cautious is that I wouldn't want to initiate something like that when it isn't my data and it is a joint project in collaboration with someone else. I'd have to ask my collaborator - but doing that now wouldn't be appropriate when it might not even come to that! So in a nutshell - I emailed this person asking for some general stats help based on a chapter in his book - he seems to want to help which is great - but I am worried that I might end up stepping on toes by meeting on skype and actually getting his input on the analysis. Help?

I hope this makes sense and I would appreciate any thoughts from those more experience than I am in this world of collaborations and potential collaborations.

Thanks!
Tudor

Thread: I a m in need of advice

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11-Nov-19, 10:25
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Yes I should think so. For example, if the examiners didn't think it was really your work (i.e., you couldn't defend it).

Thread: Am I failing?

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10-Nov-19, 12:38
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Quote From Chochka:

I've obviously got a reputation as a 'difficult student', which is really annoying because I didn't have this reputation when I did my masters. I had a lovely supervisor then and I really enjoyed working with him. I don't know how much this kind of reputation will affect my career/job in the future (I'm seriously doubting going into academia now because of this experience) so I don't know how much I need to pander to these guys.


I think this depends on how much you need to rely on them for a reference. I think people are aware though that these things happen and it doesn't necessarily mean that the student is a problem-person if a particular working relationship did not end up working well.

Thread: Am I failing?

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10-Nov-19, 12:35
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It is really tough. It sounds like you are aware of all the risks though and so can handle it somehow. I guess just tentatively trying different things to see what might help the situation? If you could find someone to talk to who you can trust, even if you aren't asking them to become involved in anyway, could help immensely. My stats supervisor was this person in my case. He was totally different to the other 2 and very approachable. I remember at one point him telling me that a lot of people in academia are (some expletive I can't recall) and that you just have to recognize who is decent and who isn't and try and work with those you regard as decent! If you're already trapped in something then somehow you just have to get through it. I'm not sure if any of this helps but I do hope you can come up with a plan of some things to try.

Re sidelining the other sup. Be careful as I tried to do something similar where I thought I'd approach the other supervisor and get input from them, and basically it made things worse as it seemed like I was well, sidelining one of them. As like you say, they tend to stick together being that they are supervisors and we are the "them" or "other", having less power and status in this situation.

I'm sure you'll navigate it somehow if you can try out different things to see what might work. Is there anything that could excite them / get them back on board? Or could a pragmatic and distant approach work where you just have a set of deadlines and dates to meet them and get feedback via your drafts? Could an open conversation about this work - where you say how determined you are to finish this and want to set dates and deadlines for x, y, and z with their input?

I'm just trying to stimulate ideas. You know the situation best of course!

Thread: Concerned about Thesis (Submitted)

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09-Nov-19, 10:11
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posted about 6 months ago
Congratulations Dr. Kahn!

Thread: Am I failing?

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09-Nov-19, 09:30
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Yeh it sounds awful. There needs to be more transparency in academia so these things can't happen so easily.

Having read all you've said I do think there is a chance they are conspiring to make you want to just quit. It sounds as though they are capable of anything. What are your options? Do you think you can successfully make it through without much / any support from them?

My relationship with my supervisors pretty much ended at the end of year 2, and I did the final 1.75 years by myself more or less. I was given a new supervisor who basically was the person I corresponded with about any general issues such as needing to change deadlines, agreeing on viva examiners etc (she wasn't involved in / didn't know my work). For this to happen, I approached this person (she was the head of the department) and told her that I could no longer work with one of my supervisors. I didn't tell her why, as I had already learnt that being honest/open about things doesn't get you very far when it comes to raising issues about supervision. Anyway, in this meeting I was grilled for about 2 hours while she tried to get more info from me, but I refused to say anything about it except that it just wasn't working. I had hoped that I could continue working with the secondary supervisor - with whom there wasn't any issue. But what happened is that the secondary "refused" to work directly with me unless the primary one stayed on board. So both stayed on board (i.e. reading and commenting on drafts) but I didn't meet with them anymore. And this third person (the one I had gone to see) became my official main supervisor "on paper". It was not at all ideal but it just goes to show that you can complete in circumstances far less than ideal.

Thread: Am I failing?

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08-Nov-19, 16:58
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Sorry to hear about the lack of support / vile response :/

Re your real concern - have you tried meeting with them to talk concretely about the specific issues / how to improve aspects of your work? If you act motivated (even if you don't feel it) and make them see that you are in for the long haul, and even if they want you to leave you aren't going to, they might be more responsive?

Blog: Are PhDs meant to be this stressful?

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08-Nov-19, 12:26
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Quote From shortfatchemist:
Sorry if you think that this is going to be unsympathetic but I have done this twice so far!

If you think that this point in your life is stressful, you have no hope. If you are in your second year then next year you are going to hit the “thesis blues”. This is where you suddenly realise you absolutely hate the F*ck out of your subject and even having to have to write the damn thing is vile.

So grow some balls, push through it and get the job done. Once you finish that thesis your life begins!


Are you a prophet? It's not the same for everyone. One person might have peaks where another has troughs. As for growing balls, since when does someone not have courage just because they open up about how crap they are currently finding things?

Thread: Distance learning phD???

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08-Nov-19, 10:25
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Yeh, it's perfectly feasible and people do things like this. Some unis might have better facilities to facilitate it , for example video conferencing so that you could also attend seminars and lab group meetings for example and not have to either travel in or miss out. Fortnightly meetings is also totally feasible. I think it's just about finding some opportunities that you think would suit you and making your pitch / proposal.

Thread: Am I failing?

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08-Nov-19, 10:21
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Hi Chochka, sorry to hear that you are struggling at this time. And that you aren't finding your supervisors terribly supportive.

The thing with motivation is that you need to find ways to motivate yourself. Some people/supervisors are probably great at helping to motivate others, but you can't count on that. You have to find what can motivate you and get you out of this slump.

Re supervisors giving up. No, I don't think they're obliged. But rather than secretly wanting to make you quit (which could well be true), they may just thinking, hmm, it looks like he / she isn't going to finish / isn't motivated enough to finish. And so they may just be watching and waiting / leaving you to it. It is your PhD is the bottom line, even though you may have been let down on the support side.

What is it that could motivate you at this stage? Could it help to be able to actually see the end point in sight? With the changes that you are having to make, is it conceivable that you will indeed have a thesis to submit after x months?
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