a question for people who english is 1st or 2nd language

posted
09-Jan-16, 02:23
by Hiini
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posted about 3 years ago
To people who english is the first language,
Do you still have problem with ( or make mistake in) spelling and grammar in your writing although english is your first english?

To people who english is the 2nd language,
Do you use any softwares or tools to help you improve your writing?

i got lots of comments that complaining about my spelling and grammar. I have used some software like grammaly but many mistakes it doesn't pick up. Any advices PLEASE.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.
posted
09-Jan-16, 04:36
edited about 1 minute later
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posted about 3 years ago
English is my first language, and I often have to write in a foreign language for my research so I can understand how you are feeling. The reality is that it's extremely difficult to achieve native level proficiency to the point of writing perfectly correct language for academic purposes. It's possible to get close, but there will nearly always be mistakes (in my opinion). And of course, even native speakers make mistakes!
My suggestion is to find an academic in a similar field who is a native English speaker, but is trying to learn/write in your native tongue. Then you can exchange papers for proof reading/corrections. Of course, you will have to check your institution's guidelines on proof reading as some do not allow this kind of exchange and you could end up in a lot of trouble if they don't allow it.
The important thing is to remain calm and work away at your language skills as far as you can.
As a side note, typing in CAPITAL LETTERS in English is considered by many to be shouting, and should be avoided at all costs :-)
posted
09-Jan-16, 05:49
by Hiini
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posted about 3 years ago
Quote From ApolloBullit:
English is my first language, and I often have to write in a foreign language for my research so I can understand how you are feeling. The reality is that it's extremely difficult to achieve native level proficiency to the point of writing perfectly correct language for academic purposes. It's possible to get close, but there will nearly always be mistakes (in my opinion). And of course, even native speakers make mistakes!
My suggestion is to find an academic in a similar field who is a native English speaker, but is trying to learn/write in your native tongue. Then you can exchange papers for proof reading/corrections. Of course, you will have to check your institution's guidelines on proof reading as some do not allow this kind of exchange and you could end up in a lot of trouble if they don't allow it.
The important thing is to remain calm and work away at your language skills as far as you can.
As a side note, typing in CAPITAL LETTERS in English is considered by many to be shouting, and should be avoided at all costs :-)


thank you ApolloBullit, it is very helpful advice. So what language are you using in writing?
posted
09-Jan-16, 11:56
edited about 43 seconds later
by pm133
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posted about 3 years ago
English is my first language and I have no problems when it comes to writing. Most native speakers however will still struggle to write academic text.
It must be a complete nightmare having to write in English when it is your second language.
I've noticed that one of the major giveaways that someone is not a native English speaker is their use of the words 'a' or 'the'. Learning the basic syntax of English is hard enough but learning how to use those two words can be baffling unless you've grown up with it. It's rare to find a native speaker who would struggle with them though.
posted
09-Jan-16, 18:48
by emmaki
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posted about 3 years ago
I am not a native speaker and I did my PhD in English.
I found that my writing improved by reading! I read a lot and not only related to my research. I think it helps to get a grip of the language. Of course I still make mistakes and I cannot use the language as a native speaker, but I have improved a lot
posted
10-Jan-16, 03:13
edited about 28 seconds later
by Hiini
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posted about 3 years ago
Quote From emmaki:
I am not a native speaker and I did my PhD in English.
I found that my writing improved by reading! I read a lot and not only related to my research. I think it helps to get a grip of the language. Of course I still make mistakes and I cannot use the language as a native speaker, but I have improved a lot


the same. but it seems that we're never good enough and can never be perfect.=( how to be perfect in academic writing.
posted
12-Jan-16, 06:02
edited about 15 seconds later
by RinaL
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posted about 3 years ago
Quote From Hiini:
Quote From emmaki:
I am not a native speaker and I did my PhD in English.
I found that my writing improved by reading! I read a lot and not only related to my research. I think it helps to get a grip of the language. Of course I still make mistakes and I cannot use the language as a native speaker, but I have improved a lot


the same. but it seems that we're never good enough and can never be perfect.=( how to be perfect in academic writing.


Read, read more .. and then go back and read even more. Btw, there is no such thing as perfect academic writing. Everybody, even the best native speakers, make mistakes. ;-)

I started my research career with "Writing Scientific English" (T. Skern) which helped me a lot to understand how the parts of a paper "behave". Since then, I have read a lot of papers, picked nice sentence and tried to incorporate them into my writing style. I am still not the fastest writer, but improved a lot over the last years.

If you want to improve your understanding of the English language in a more general approach I would recommend watching television. I watch them always with subtitles on - so its reading and watching at the same time ;-).
posted
14-Jan-16, 06:49
by buru
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posted about 3 years ago
Everybody makes mistakes in academic writing. Even my supervisor proposes language changes to my work which are wrong! If you want to improve your language quickly you need to immerse yourself in the language, switch all your devices to English, communicate with your friends in English, read the news in English, watch TV in English, and listen to English language songs. Also try to socialise with colleagues at university who do not speak your first language.
posted
17-Jan-16, 23:59
edited about 15 seconds later
by Hiini
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posted about 3 years ago
Thank you everyone. =)

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