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is it appropriate to ask internal examinar for the list of amendments
J

I passed my PhD examination with minor correction on 27th/May. But Haven't got the list of amendments so far. I feel a little bit like “been forgotten" . Do you think it 's polite to email internal examiner for the list of amendments(In the VIVA, internal actually told me "nothing would happen in the next few days")?

How long I need to wait after VIVA to get degree
J

Passed VIVA with minor correction this Wednesday(Finally). Since I come abroad, my current job kind of depend on my PhD degree. I just want to know what's normally period in your institution to actually get a degree after VIVA. I just wonder about if I could have to wait for next graduation date for that (in December) or I can get it right after all administrative process finished?

What's the dress code for PhD VIVA
J

I am thinking about causal suit plus leather shoes but without necktie. Just wondering what's normal dress code for male PhD candidate in VIVA, try to show the respect for the examinears.:-)

How important is the performance in the VIVA
J

Quote From badhaircut:

I recently examined at my first Viva (internal examiner).

FYI, I passed the guy (minor corrections for typos + clarification/ 1 month to resubmit), his PhD was very, very good and watertight. As you know I am very critical, and nitpicky but honestly there was nothing I could find wrong with it. The only probing question I asked was why he chose to format the results in the manner that he did. He explained it well, but even so walking into the room I knew I couldn't possibly fail him on that. For him we both knew he had passed, as long as he didn't do anything horrific (e.g. not speak English, confessed to plagiarism or jump on the table and wave his genitals at us). If I am being honest it was like a friendly talk and lasted for an hour. If I am being even more honest it could have lasted 5 minutes.

From my understanding and chatting with the very nice external examiner its not always like this. He divided vivas into 3.

The first are like the ones above. Very well designed, coherently constructed and often already published. There is very little to do than ask polite questions and allow a decent amount of time to elapse before sending them on their way with a smile and a handshake. (Mainly minor corrections or outright passes)

The second are good theses but do have methodological flaws. These can last a long time, and the defender has the job of negotiating damage limitation. Often at this point its between agreeing between minor corrections and major corrections depending on how they perform on the day/ how good their defence is. You probably are not going to viva them again. I felt my own PhD fell into this category.

The third are theses which should fail really. Either badly written, poorly designed or the author has missed the point somewhere along the line. However, there is an onus to not fail PhD students (recent political pressure) so resubmissions and re-vivas are often the outcome. I understood at this point the student is fighting for either significant re-writing or accepting an MPhil. He had been at a couple of these and he said these vivas were deceptively quick, unless the student becomes beligerent (which doesnt help their chances).

In addition I have seen a few outright failures. I know about these from working in the PG committee. Sadly, none have been the students fault -Its the supervisors complete neglect or shocking behaviour (like one PhDer who ended up basicially as a self funded RA for her supervisor). Thankfully quite rare, but shouldnt happen at all.


Your comments are really helpful and make things much clear for me.

It maybe look trivial, but i am really depressed...
J

The thing I learned from own experience is destiny always bring someone in front of you, but finally you will have to forget her.
I know it's easier to say. But I believe everyone has been in the same situation, so get busy with something interested and try to move on. Time really helps.

How important is the performance in the VIVA
J

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Quote From Laney:

I'm approaching the submission stage myself and I've been told more or less the same thing as missspacey. If your thesis is good you'll pass as long as you don't give the impression that someone else wrote it. Obviously in the majority of cases there will be some things that the examiners will want correcting. If your thesis is borderline then I was told that it's about convincing the examiners that the work is good enough.

As for preperation I couple of people told me to go through the thesis page by page and write down in a line the main aspect of that page, do this for every page and it shows you know your thesis inside out. Obviously I haven't had my viva yet so I haven't tried it myself


OK. But how much the supervisor can have influence on the external' s decision. In my case, external is a close colleague of my supervisor. I wrote in a structure which is 100% agreed by my supervisor, but with reasons which I think it's defendable.

How important is the performance in the VIVA
J

Quote From ginga:

Good luck Jiou, I am sure you will be fine in your viva - just do your best.  Please let us know how you get on. Best wishes.(up)

Than you guys. finger cross

How important is the performance in the VIVA
J

I just wondering how much the output of VIVA depends on my performance in the VIVA and how much depends on my submitted thesis? I ask this, because my supervisor has told me he thought my work is sufficient for PhD but not confident about the actual writing-up. In his mind, the major problem of my thesis is the structure. But I think it's OK, as the structure best cope with the content, also my supervisor only supervised one thesis before and come from industry without PhD. Now my VIVA is soon, I am quite nervous about it,Particularly when I am thinking about the output of VIVA has been decided as the external is a close colleague of my supervisor. So can anybody here give me a idea about how much the output of VIVA depends on the performance in the VIVA normally?

Also my VIVA is next Wednesday. I will be deeply appreciated about any tips about being prepared to it。

Thank You

How should I ask for a VIVA dates
J

Since my thesis has been sent from my Uni 5 weeks ago and I am not currently located in UK, in order to arrange VISA and air-ticket, I really need to know one or several likely dates for my VIVA as early as possible.
I directly sended a mail to my external, but it is advised as improper by my supervisor. I also emailed my supervisor two weeks ago to describe my situation with available dates which is also forwarded to external , but no feedback since that.

I am thinking about sending a another e-mail now, but really don't know what to say. So I just wonder how you guys approach external or supervisor to get a likely date for VIVA.

Looking forward to your tips.

Thesis quotation
J

hello everyone,

Some graphs in my thesis are from past co-authered papers. Is that necessary to make quotation in every case of graph. I am thinking about using an appendix to carify the boundary of collaboration work, as that will be looking-nice.

Also, in the introduction part of my thesis, some classic graphs are based on textbook. I mean I draw it myself and make some modifications. But they are still looking similar with some graphs in other's publications. Should I make quotation in this case as they are all background information.

Have you guys got same problems? Looking forward to your tips.


Tips about thesis structure please
J

Quote From a116:

I don't understand why it's a problem.describe the first case, explain why you adapted your methodology, describe the second case, describe the third case.


It's not a problem, but it isn't looking-nice.

Tips about thesis structure please
J

Quote From a116:

I'm only a second year so feel free to dismiss this but I don't plan on following that exactly.


I will be doing lit review, method for phase I, results for phase I, method for phase 2, results for phase II, discussion (where phase II is informed by phase I).



Would this work for you?



A


Thank you for comments. But it would not work for me.

As I described , there are three cases. Two methods implemented for case I, as the result of comparison of these two methods in case I, only one method was chosen for case II and III.

So there have been  disproportionate large part for case I, since only one method have been implemented for case II and III, and this method have been described in the case I.

That causes problem for me.

Tips about thesis structure please
J

cut a long story short, I explore three different cases during my PhD. In one of them, two different methods have been investigated and implemented (from the comparison of these two method, one is better). So in other two cases, only one method have been implemented. As a result, in my thesis, there is disproportionate larger part for one case and only a small part for two other cases.



Now, I received a negative comment on my thesis structure in the proof reading. I am trying to restructure it. But I found it difficult to go with traditional IMRAD ( Introduction, Method, Results and Discussion) structure, as my PhD research is case by case basis and there is quite more work for one of them.



So, here is question. How important to cope with IMRAD ( Introduction, Method, Results and Discussion) structure in a PhD thesis ? Any brighter ideas to organize a thesis structure with the contents like that.

How to deal with your program code
J

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Past PhDs in my labs doesn't have it in the thesis. But I know another PhD student in other group did has all source code as burnt CD included in the thesis. Her supervisor asked her to do that, even he also don't believe examiner will look into it, but just in case.

BTW, H , do you any piece of source code as appendix in your thesis?

How to deal with your program code
J

I am just before submission. As I am working in the EE field, there are large amount of program source code from my PhD. It's impossible to have it as appendix in the form of paper. A CD may sort things out, but it is still troublesome, since there are at least three different kinds of codes(I mean codes in three different languages) and they all need different compiling environment and a lot document to be understood.

So I wonder How necessary to have these source code in my thesis. Will examiner try to look into it(I don't think they will try to understand my thesis in such detail, as that could be very time consuming and even impossible).

Any ideas?