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Too old to do a PhD?
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Quote From hermajtomomi:

I sincerely hope 75 isn't too old to start a PhD.

In 2010, aged 70, I returned to uni part-time (I still work full time as a freelance linguist) to take a Graduate Certificate in History of Art and Architecture, which would serve as a conversion course which, if passed at a suitable level, would enable me to enrol on a part-time MA. I still work full-time as a freelance linguist, a profession in which people continue to thrive well into their 80s and beyond.

Having enjoyed the Grad Cert course far more than my first degree (started at 36 and completed at 39) I did well and today received an unconditional offer and will be starting the MA this autumn at age 72. I suppose I am lucky to be studying at Birkbeck where they are well accustomed to (very) mature under- and post-grads and, apart from on application forms, age has never been mentioned. All being well, I would love to go and do to a PhD, by which time I would be 74. I'm not sure how the powers that be at Birkbeck would regard such an application, but I sense that it would be treated on its merits and I wouldn't be turned down merely on grounds of age.
Hi Hermajtomomi,
Your story is very inspiring. I really admire people who can maintain that kind of dedication to learning. Best of luck with your MA.
:-)

Passed viva with minor corrections!
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Congratulations, 5DMk2! So good to hear you came through the other side... a Dr!
Thanks for taking the time to post your story, I know people really appreciate them, particularly when someone really struggled. Go celebrate :)



Ph.D. Dilemma
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Ian, I really enjoyed reading your blog. Thanks for sharing the link. :-)

Does supervision continue over the summer period?
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Thanks for your replies; that's good to know.

I agree, the quieter the better.

Does supervision continue over the summer period?
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As the title asks, does your supervision continue all through the summer, or does your supervisor give you certain dates when they won't be reading work and/or meeting you?

In my university, teaching ends in April, exams are corrected by the end of June. I know that supervision for taught M. Phil students ends at the end of June, so the same probably applies to PhDs. Or not?

For those of you in later years, do you find research easier/more difficult/much the same when most students are gone from campus?

Passed after R&R within 12 months
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Well done, Jennie! You really persevered and it finally paid off! Congratulations. (up)

False sense of security...?
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Honestly, I think that if you feel like you aren't doing enough then it's a real sign that you could push yourself harder! It isn't your supervisor's job to ask you how many hours a day you do, or how many pages you read a week. They assume that at this point you will source your own channels to research.

If they seem very impressed with you, despite you feeling like you haven't done a huge amount, then maybe they are just giving you very positive reinforcement for what is actually just the norm: people are more likely to use their own initiative more when they have been assured they are on the right track. Of course, I am not doing a science PhD, so I realise that lab work can be a lot more integrated and may be dependent on another, but I would advise you to read as much as possible while you still have plenty of time. :-)

Do I have what it takes?
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Hi Chantelle,

This is a very difficult question to answer - especially for someone who isn't familiar with you or your work. I know you say you want to develop a career in academia, but critical thinking of formulation of arguments - which you mention are your weaker ones - are only going to increase in importance as your research becomes more and more independent. Some people do seem to find the jump from undergrad to postgrad to be a big one, because the learning is much less prescriptive. I can only speak from my own experience - I did a taught M Phil before I began my PhD, but I actually preferred the independence of grad school. There were people on my programme who were certainly intelligent and passionate, but they found it more difficult to sustain the grades they achieved as undergrads.

My advice to you would be to maybe speak to a career guidance counsellor, or perhaps a lecturer/research student in your area. Maybe what you're experiencing is actually very common in the early stages of Psychology grad research.

OK, seriously, tell me...
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I agree that it is very demanding and stressful relative to the monetary rewards. I mean, high-level positions in financial/legal/other types of organization are equally stressful, but their earnings tend to reflect this.

For me, I am attracted to the level of independence. Obviously you have to meet external requirements and work with others, but on a day-to-day basis, you are managing your own projects. Also, I find academic work to be extremely rewarding - seeing a new idea through from start to finish is worth all the complications in between. I also like being very busy and having new targets to constantly meet. I should add that I'm naturally a stressed person - I can rarely relax fully, even if I grant myself a day or two off. So I think regardless of occupation, I'm programmed to feel that way. I channel it into productivity, however, so it isn't all bad. When I've worked in more collaborative professional environments, I found I had the added stress of depending on other people, who often weren't similarly motivated. Being my own boss - to a degree - suits me better.

Word length of chapters?
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Mog, Patrick Dunleavy's well-regarded book ''Authoring a PhD'' also suggestd 8 X 10k, or at least very similar lengths.
Obviously this may not suit any given thesis, but I think I'm going to aim for that also. I'm only a first year though, so we shall see!

Dr Bond!!
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Congratulations, Dr. Bond! (eh, best name ever!)
Well done on passing and enjoy all the celebrations. :)

Wanting to quit PhD, feel stuck!
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In fact, my internal examiner hated my thesis - she even told me so in person, saying that if she was the external she'd have made me re-write it. Fortunately, the external really like it, had an argument with the internal at the time and ensured that I got only minor corrections. It's horses for courses at this level, and one man's apple is another's Brussel sprout. For this reason, externals and internals are (usually) chosen carefully to ensure that they can fully 'appreciate' your work.
Walminskipeas, great post all around. I especially love how you put this. I'm going to try to remember that in the months/years to come.
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'Writing your did in 15 minutes' book- anyone have the pdf version?
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Hi Button,

I don't have the pdf, but I have read the book and it didn't tell me anything I didn't know already!

I personally find the blog 'the thesis whisperer' to be great for quick motivation. Here is her article on how to write 1000 words a day:
http://thethesiswhisperer.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/how-to-write-1000-words-a-day-and-not-go-bat-shit-crazy/

good luck!

'Lookism': have you experienced it during your PhD?
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Quote From GSM:

Quote From Lughna:

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It's strange, because while I know this happens in general, I would have thought that academia operated on a slightly different system. If anything, I would have thought the bias was to native students rather than attractive ones. That said, the post-grad application in my university require you to submit a passport photograph, which really bothers me since there is no justifiable reason.


In my experience the bias is towards foreign students because:

a) It helps to fill equality quotas; and
b) They pay ridiculously high fees, and universities are all about the ££££££££££££
I agree with you on that - I was actually referring to employment rather than acceptance as students (but I didn't make that clear! :p)

More focussed!
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Hi Milo, great to see such a positive post - especially when you felt differently not so long ago. I agree with you completely; it really is a case of mind over matter sometimes, with a positive outlook key to moving forward and not dwelling on past difficulties.

Good luck with your new targets. :)