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No motivation, always procrastinating - is there any hope?
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Quote From Coarvi:
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Thank you. Yes, it helps.

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with being over halfway, or being a mum. I have been like this all the time, but it is getting worse now. I have kind of done what you suggest, but it does not work that well for me,but I will continue trying...


Well to me this sounds really straightforwards in terms of analysiing where you are.
You are finding things difficult but lack the interest in what you are doing to do what is necessary to proceed towards a successful conclusion of your PhD and your body is physically reacting to you forcing it to do something you really don't want to do anymore.

It sounds very much like the major blockage is your lack of interest. I would even go as far as saying that you appear to actively hate what you are doing.
You need to focus on that and forget everything else right now.
Counselling will not cure boredom so in my opinion that is probably a waste of time and money.

If you can't get over your hatred you will either fail to graduate or you will end up in a padded cell so deal with this issue right now and quit unless you can convince yourself of a good enough reason to waste more precious time.

Do you have a good reason to continue?

It's not to late to take on another PhD either but I would urge caution before you risk ploughing down the same path again.
I definitely think you need to consider quitting if you hate the PhD so much.

Quitting isn't failing. It's merely recognising that you are doing the wrong thing for you and finding another path in life.

Mortgage on PhD stipend
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Quote From sbb0204:
I'm a PhD student and have just tried to get a mortgage with my boyfriend who is employed. We went through a mortgage broker and they said that very few lenders would consider our income. We tried them and get turned down because I wasn't able to provide a letter saying I was guaranteed a job in three years when my funding ends. However we were told that this is upto the underwriter and so each situation is different


I know this doesn't help you but in the wider societal context it is good to hear that banks are starting to shed some of their old bad habits.
I am still surprised that any lender will consider joint income under any circumstance but maybe this will change as well.

jobs for Postdocs (biomedical)
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Quote From MWolf:
I know someone in my program at Hopkins who has completed 3 years postdoc, her fellowship ended in June. But she is still around. Does that mean she is staying for another FULL year? (perhaps on a new fellowship) In other words:

Do postdoc positions, or academic outlets for postdocs, usually start at the beginning of the year (end august)? or perhaps semester? or it could be anytime within the year...?
Thank you


It is not uncommon in the UK for postdocs to start at any time of the year as far as I understand.
It is also not uncommon to find a PhD student or postdoc sticking around well beyond the end of their funding in order to keep their hand in.

I sense you are not telling us the whole story here. Is there a problem you have with this person and you are desperate to see the back of them?

What would you do with an extra year before grad school?
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Quote From OatmealDurkheim:
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Your research should essentially start today. No need to wait for the funding to kick in. I would even be tempted to ask to start today and maybe work a few days a week etc. Pretty sure that space-permitting you would be allowed to get going. Why waste a year?


Great suggestions, thanks! I'm not sure I got that last part, tho. Given that I didn't get into a graduate program yet (MA-then-PhD) and I'm not currently located in the target city/country, how could I get started in any semi-official capacity? I was mostly just thinking to work independently, maybe reach out to a few potential advisors for feedback (but that's it).


Ah OK, in that case ignore my last point until you find yourself on a program. At that point you can fly with the final suggestion if it sounds like something that will work out for you. I think the rest of the suggestions might be helpful though - it's certainly what I would do.

Has this ever been done to get a PhD before?
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I would not recommend anyone taking on a PhD with such poor grades. Really you need to be getting a first. Having said that, people do manage to turn things around but you are making a very tough task much harder if you dont have a first.


I find it mildly disturbing that you keep going around telling people (in this thread and in others) that no one should be doing a PhD without having obtained a 1st.

I got a high 2:1 in my undergrad because I didn't do all that well in 3rd year (dissertation was a 22/23 though), then I got offered a research masters with tuition scholarship during an internship without even applying. I passed my viva last month with minor corrections, and am now working with my supervisors to turn it into two papers. I will start medicine soon, but am also considering a PhD instead from next year on because I've really come to like research (problem is I prefer a field related to but still substantially different from my BSc and MSc, so need some preparation first).

And you want to tell me I'm unsuitable for a PhD because I didn't get a 1st at undergraduate? My supervisors certainly didn't think so, and neither did the examiners during my viva (they were quite eager for me to publish and mentioned they'd have loads of research for me if I did medicine at our uni).

The only reason I am writing about myself here is as an example to demonstrate that your exclusively grade-focused mentality is counterproductive. Some people are great at research projects but not particularly good at memorisation for exams - they can still make good scientists. Some people chose the wrong undergraduate and were perpetually bored in many modules, leading to suboptimal grades, but they may discover a field they love later on and still excel in it - again, who's to say they shouldn't do a PhD? You?


If you find it mildly disturbing that someone can voice an opinion you don't like then quite frankly I don't know how to help you my friend.

If you want to discuss things in a less emotional and aggressive manner then please feel free to get back to me. I have absolutely no problem having my opinion challenged (I am a scientist after all) but you need to do it in a slightly more respectful manner.

Has this ever been done to get a PhD before?
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Quote From naturalproduct:
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I greatly appreciate your input, and I am incredibly happy you chose not to sugarcoat anything, because what you said, I will seriously consider and will probably hear it from others, so many thanks for your input.


You are welcome. Listen, I genuinely hope you manage to succeed but you asked for honest opinions and I gave mine. You obviously appear to appreciate this but others on here seem to have got themselves a little over heated at the shocking idea that someone might voice an opinion different to theirs.

I did a Masters in Chemistry as well incidentally. In your final year you may well find yourself referring to principles you have learned in all three previous years. In my finals I was having to rely on 1st year knowledge. Organic is the most "synoptic" in that respect but so is inorganic. You will have difficulty in things like catalysis without being able to recall transition metal chemistry basics for example. Your university may teach different final year things but might be worth bearing this in mind before you go back. If your university has not lectures in your final year then you might well find it easier to improve your grade through the project work but if they are loathe to hand out good grades then maybe you won't.

Good luck either way. Would be good to hear how you get on.

A Dr PhD yet jobless
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Are those of you who have not worked for more than 6 months tried self employment? I know it is not for everyone but it has to beat sitting at home on the dole. I can't think of anything which would drain the soul worse than not having any work at all.

Working from home or working at uni
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Quote From canatanx:
Lately I've been feeling like I work better at home but I keep feeling bad when I am at home. Sometimes I actually get more done at home but I still feel like I should be an university at my desk even though I might not get much real work done there. Its a little annoying.
Just wanted to know if its okay and how others manage their work.


What you are describing is presenteeism - the need to feel you are at your work desk to be seen to be productive.

It takes a wee while to get over that and you can help yourself by setting some goals to be achieved each day and then recognising that what is important is getting things done rather than clocking a certain number of hours up.

You might also need to start working on an attitude of caring less about what co-workers feel about your working preferences. That will also take time but it is very liberating.

What would you do with an extra year before grad school?
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Quote From OatmealDurkheim:
I plan to enter graduate school (MA+PhD) in September 2018, which means I have something of a ‘gap year’ ahead of me. I want to use this unstructured time, this opportunity to develop and prepare on my own terms, the best way I can.

If you were in my position, how would you spend these spare 12 months before grad school officially begins? How would you prepare for what’s ahead, what would you focus on?

It goes without saying that I have already given these questions a lot of careful consideration, but I’m very curious to learn how others would approach this topic; especially, current PhD candidates, postdocs, and lecturers/professors. Knowing what you now know, if you could go back, how would you spend a spare year like that?

Some background:
- My field is social/cultural anthropology.
- My ultimate goal (grad school and beyond) is to prepare a CV and a research portfolio, which will aid me in launching an academic career in Europe.
- I have a BA in anthropology and an unrelated MA,
- I currently freelance (unrelated field); I have plenty of spare time, and can arrange my schedule in whatever way I see fit.
- I live in a mid-size European city (not a capital); can’t move anywhere this year, but can likely do some limited traveling.
- There’s a small anthropology department here, but I’m not affiliated with it, and never was. My degree is from the US.
- I can speak the local language fairly well.
- The grad school (next year) will be in a different county, and learning the new language will be one of my objectives this year. The language of instruction will be English, however.

Note: Not sure if I made this clear, but I’m not looking for answers such as “travel for fun,” or “get a new hobby.” All of these are fine, but I want to use these 12 months to prepare for the demands of grad school and the grueling academic job hunt ahead.


If you absolutely want an academic career I would spend time finding out about funding routes, the applications processes for fellowships etc and building a database of who is important in your field. I would do literature reviews on your area of interest and request to go on any appropriate training courses or conferences. Start getting your literature database in order - how are you going to record what you have read, takes notes etc in a searchable format for easy reach later in the PhD? I would use the space and time to devise my own research questions and projects to solve. Start reading books as well. Your research should essentially start today. No need to wait for the funding to kick in. I would even be tempted to ask to start today and maybe work a few days a week etc. Pretty sure that space-permitting you would be allowed to get going. Why waste a year?

Has this ever been done to get a PhD before?
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Quote From naturalproduct:


Yes ofcourse, I understand, the consistency will definitely be different for a final year mark very much higher than the other years' "average" marks, but I was really hoping it wouldn't hinder me greatly.

Other than doing massive amounts of reading around the project topic, and working hard, and efficiently around the lab hour clock, how would you advise to make an outstanding impression on my supervisor from as early as possible?

The 2.1 students getting into the PhD positions really make me believe there is some hope, I do chemistry at a top end Russel Group, I would assume they are not too different?

Thank you so much for your input once again, I really appreciate it.


Unless you are at Cambridge or Oxford it almost doesn't matter what unviersity you went to. Your 62% will be pretty much the same as 62% from any other uni. If I were you, I would forget all about your university's "ranking". The rankings are nonsense from start to finish. There really is no such thing as a "top end" Russell Group uni.

Has this ever been done to get a PhD before?
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Thank you for the response.

For PhD applications, universities will require a transcript of marks for all years, so I was wondering, whether a very good 4th year mark, would be looked upon favorably, seeing as if the final year mark is much higher than all other years, it would demonstrate that you are very competent at the height of your degree; and thus would show what a candidate is capable of?

The additional skills you've mentioned are definitely a must, I understand that, as it is no easy feat.

With regards to past grades, if one makes a very good impression on their MSci project supervisor, will that aid with the application, especially if it is to the same university department? (since the academics will know each other relatively well). So is that likely to act in ones favor despite the current low 2.1?

Many thanks for our input, it is greatly appreciated.


Having poor grades throughout and then firing in an 80% in your final year would likely demonstrate that you have a lack of focus until you feel the flames of the fire at your feet.
It would indicate that working without very close supervision is a problem for you. Specifically it would indicate to me that you would not be right for a PhD position unless you could find a way of convincing me that you had fundamentally changed your attitude. Also getting an 80% on top of 3 years of 60% would suggest a complete disconnect between your course years. Without going back and re-studying your first 3 years I would be very suspicious of how it was possible to get 80% in year 4.
If your 80% was largely down to project work then your transcript would show it and that would tell me that whilst you had decent technical skills in the lab you lacked the theoretical underpinning to support a PhD application.

You should think about my advice and consider how you would either argue against it or mitigate for it. I used to help out with interviewing technical candidates when I was an employee and I had my own recriutment business for a short time as well so I am more likely to be picky in my analysis of your situation. You might find that supervisors simply want a bum on a seat.

Has this ever been done to get a PhD before?
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Quote From naturalproduct:
Thank you for the response.

Could you elaborate on why getting onto a PhD is "easy", because I had always thought it was difficult, as you mentioned, that it is strongly advised to have a first class classification.

You're correct in saying my grades do not support my case very well, does that mean you recommend to waiting until finishing the degree, and if the overall grades turn out very good, then applying?

Would that put me in a better position, as the MSci project year is the most relevant to doing a PhD since that is where the longest part of research is carried out within the entire degree?

I didn't completely understand what you meant by doing a PhD elsewhere, do you mean that I should apply in my 4th year but to other places? If so, what do you mean by "other" places? Because not everywhere will have the research field in which I am interested in.


I will answer your points in turn but please remember these are my own personal opinions and I am not in the business of wilfully trying to crush someone's hopes. I am only trying to give you an honest assessment of where I think you are right now:

Getting a PhD is easy if you have the grades. As ToL says above, most positions seem to receive relatively few applicants and in many cases you may be the only candidate. I am getting this information from academics who hire PhD students. If you have a first you can usually expect to have your pick of positions unless you are unlucky.

If I was in your position I would not be considering a PhD at all at this moment. I would consider my grades were simply too low to allow me to be as successful as I could be. That is a personal opinion only and I accept it is not one that most share. ToL gives an alternative viewpoint for example which you may prefer to go with. Certainly having the actual degree makes it easier to sell to potential supervisors but the problem is that at 62% you appear to have only picked up about half of what you were taught. How are you going to catch up with what you have not understood quickly enough to prevent you overrunning your PhD funding? Even if you don't need much of it, you will still be at a serious disadvantage. Universities in general are absolutely choc full of people in trouble and a lot of them struggle because they don't have the basics absolutely nailed down. None of this means you CANT succeed but you face a much higher hurdle than those who gained a 1st.

By doing a PhD elsewhere, I mean another university and another group. Regardless of what you want to study, your grades are not good enough for you to be certain of success.

A Dr PhD yet jobless
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Quote From Barramack:
The reality is that the non-academic sector values work experience and a track record of delivering more so than having a PhD (at least in Australia). In my experience, personality and technical skills can be far better trained in a work environment, rather than from a PhD. A PhD can be a very isolationist experience compared to working in a proper team environment. In the latter, there is far more accountability (i.e. not just to yourself and your supervisor) and pressure to deliver, and there is an opportunity to not just better your existing technical skills, but to develop a broader range of skills than a 3-4 year PhD can provide.

What I'm getting at here is that people need to be cautious about having expectations that a PhD will give you all the skills you need to be competative in today's job market.


PhD graduates are usually employed at senior level in industry staright out of university.
The idea that 4 years of industry straight from undergrad is better than a PhD is absolutely wrong.
For a start, fresh graduates go through a 2 to 4 year graduate training scheme across different disciplines. After that they have no significant experience in any one area. PhD grads on the other hand are in a different league.
A PhD is equivalent to about 5 to 8 years experience without one. That has been true in every company I have ever worked in. Job adverts regularly state PhD or 5 years experience.

Should I be worried?
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Quote From TheNerdyWorkoholic:
First off, I constantly over-think, so I'm here for experienced perspectives, before I combust!

I'm currently working on my Masters Thesis. Long story short, I love research and decided to approach a supervisor, before I was assigned to someone I wouldn't be completely compatible with. The supervisor I approached, agreed and all was well.

The issue here is, it has always been me, being proactive and him being at the receiving end. I didn't pay much attention to it in the beginning because I knew I had to go the extra mile, until my latest meeting with him this Monday, where he said he was reviewing my weekly work and after a while got "distracted".

I was a bit disappointed with that, and I feel very alone. Don't mistake it however, because I work well independently and this is MY idea, but I still expected him to put in his bit.

In sum, I think I just need to hear whether I'm over-thinking and my thesis is doing me in, or I have a legit reason to be concerned.

Much thanks,
TheNerdyWorkoholic


Agree with ToL, you are completely over-reacting.
Start worrying when your supervisor starts criticising your work.

pre-viva serious formatting mistake
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Quote From mkb91:
Hi,

I recently submitted my PhD thesis (chemistry), and am now waiting around for a viva - date to be finalised but in 3 months or so. I'm also now writing up a paper from my thesis, meaning I annoyingly have to re-open my thesis chapters that I'd really rather never see again just to copy images across to the paper and so on.

During this, to my horror, I found a pretty significant formatting error in my final chapter (6) - basically, all my text got pushed a line down when I did a final seemingly insignificant change to a figure, meaning that from about halfway through the chapter onwards, the figure captions have been pushed onto the page after the figure itself. I've no idea how I didn't notice this, but I didn't, and the (one-sided) printed thesis will have this error. It affects about 7 figures.

Obviously I'm massively annoyed and kind of worried about how examiners will react to this, as it's pretty sloppy - I was somewhat rushed during printing and was more checking that the pages were in order etc. Has anyone ever done something similarly stupid and if so (how) did it work out? All the other chapters, which are the first 300 pages or so, are fine. I'm more concerned that the figures might not make much sense if they fail to realise this error...the figure numbers referred to in the text end up on the wrong page.

Any advice / similar experiences appreciated!

Matt


Yep, had a few typos and other page issues but as we went through the viva I raised them myself.
Not a problem.