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One year into ur PhD, how much have u already achieved?
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Yeah, don't compare to others, it has no real bearing on your work. Some people publish shed loads early then have real difficulty later completing the thesis. Others build steadily through the 3 years and then have a splurge of publishing at the end or after.

Personally, I have a conference paper due at the end of the week (accepted for presentation) and I am writing a journal paper. I started in October 2010 so I'm a year and 5 months in. I'm also an RA doing the PhD in addition so I would expect to perhaps publish slightly more than the normal PhD.

There are many people I know at the same stage with no publications and some with 3 or 4, so really don't worry too much.

de-motivated
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Another good one featured on here is www.mytomatoes.com

It's a website that is basically just a timer that goes for 25 minutes then gives you a 5 minute break. Rinse and repeat. It really helps me when I feel demotivated as it forces me to work. Once you start working the motivation actually comes back.

Friend named as author and asked to present a paper they had nothing to do with
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I agree.

The trouble is that the paper hasn't just been put forward, but accepted for the conference. It's been through the corrections etc all with her name at the top and without her knowledge. How do you go to the people in charge and say "oh yeah, we put the authors in the wrong order" without coming across ridiculously stupid? It's not like they are in alphabetical order and they can play it off as a genuine mistake unfortunately.

As it stands I'm not getting involved. Mainly due to the can of worms that would be opened. She is really stressed and has decided just to do nothing about it because she doesn't want the stress of challenging her sup. She'll leave it as it is, learn the material and hope no-one notices.

Friend named as author and asked to present a paper they had nothing to do with
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Quote From Mackem_Beefy:

The one thing I'll add to this is she should have been asked rather than have been put upon. I'd be tempted to bow out of this one by saying I had other arrangements for that period I couldn't get out of (wedding, job interview, etc.). You could suggest this I suppose.

I witnessed a conference presentation some years ago where the girl had no idea about what she was presenting. When it came to the questions at the end, she repeatedly said "I don't know." I actually intervened and tried to help her out with some leading questions as I knew a little bit about her area. I actually made it worse as she didn't pick up I was trying to help. In the end, I just said "It doesn't matter" and shut my mouth.

She'll probably have plenty work of her own to do without her supervisor imposing this on her and it will probably be necessary for her to do some other background reading as well as trying to understand the paper. Yes, ask but to impose?

However, there's the proverbial can of worms as Delta says and it's probably better to back off and let her deal with this herself. The nature of academia is such that bad practices lie this will keep happening, as the tendency of academics not to interfere and close ranks means there is no accountability when things go wrong.

I'll observe that being listed as first author whilst on face value is a consolation (i.e. CV, publication record, etc.), also means if all goes wrong it's her name that will be remembered (I'm thinking future job applications, etc. - less of a problem if she intends to return to the real world though). Can she not make a remark that it's her supervisors that have done all the work and therefore their names should go first (i.e. butter them up)? She can then put across a stronger argument that she was brought in to cover rather than being centre stage and perhaps be lost in the 'et al' nomenclature that appears in many reference listings.

Ian (Mackem_Beefy)







I think the best plan is to tell her what I think and leave it up to her. The thing that really gets me though is that this is essentially fraud for want of a better word. She is being forced to lie to other academics and if she is found out or if the work is not up to standard then she will be burned badly. It's not good enough that "this kind of thing happens" I think it is completely out of order of her supervisor, especially if it turns out the work is not that great (though I admit this is probably unlikely). I think her sup thinks he is doing her a favour but I really don't think he is. If he wanted to help her he should have involved her in the work from the start. She won't learn anything from this but has to do extra work.

The can of worms argument is valid because she (and I) am/are here to get our qualification, but on principle this shouldn't be happening.

Anywho, I'll tell her what I think and perhaps show her this thread to give the spread of views people have said and leave it with her.

Friend named as author and asked to present a paper they had nothing to do with
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Well that's the thing, it's been submitted and accepted and she is the first author so she can't really say "oh actually I did none of this". Thing is, the first she heard of it was when she was told by her supervisor that he wanted her to present it, so he has submitted it in her name without telling her, gone through the correction process without telling her and then accepted the offer to present it without telling her.

If it was just being submitted I would advise her to drop down to say third author, but she can't really do that if it's been accepted I don't think.

Friend named as author and asked to present a paper they had nothing to do with
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Yeah, I kind of agree. The trouble is that I feel a little that I'm turning a blind eye to something that I know is wrong. Her supervisor is essentially asking her to "cheat" intellectually. I'm not at all comfortable with it, but as you say - she gets a benefit for doing little and she is my friend. I don't want to disadvantage her or get her in trouble.

No idea where to start re: finding a uni!
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www.findaphd.com is a good place to start. Perhaps talk to your undergrad careers department or some one in your department of your undergrad uni also. Other than that it's not my area I'm afraid so I'll just add - good luck!

Friend named as author and asked to present a paper they had nothing to do with
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Hi everyone,

A colleague at my university was told the other day that a paper had been written and she was to present it at a conference. Her name is listed as the first author. She had never seen the paper before and it contained precisely zero of any of her work. It was researched and written by the other two authors (one of which is her supervisor), neither of which want/can present the paper at the conference.

If this were me I think I'd tell them to b*gger off. She will have to learn the content of it, present it and answer questions on it knowing full well she had nothing to do with it. I'm sure there must be rules against doing this and if she were caught there could be repercussions. On the other hand, she gets a free publication so to speak for very little work.

I don't feel that I should really do anything (is it even any of my business really?) but I feel that she is being used and would like to advise her. What would you do A) in my position and B) in her position.

Proposal is not 'Sciencey' enough?
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It's a bit vague isn't it? Without the details of the proposal though it is pretty much impossible to tell you what the problem is. Not that I'm saying you should post them on a public forum, just saying that I doubt you'll get a decent answer. Could you not ask your supervisor for something a bit more specific?

How much publishing did you do
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I am a year and a bit in to my PhD and I am off to a conference in April and will hopefully be publishing in a good journal before July. Get as many out as possible, it helps when looking for jobs in academia and probably doesn't hurt for jobs outside of academia.

Failed PhD any ideas?
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Just to give you some inspiration and hope:

I went to red-brick, Russell group uni for my undergrad and of the 3 best lecturers there (in my opinion) only one had a PhD. It's really not required to be a good lecturer and if they can make it then I'm sure you can.

Does supervision continue over the summer period?
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It should make no difference to supervision. Your sup may go on holiday I guess but it shouldn't change really.

I prefer it when the students go away. Just makes the place nicer without a load of children milling around (and the first year undergrads do seem like children a lot of the time)

False sense of security...?
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Quote From flutterby86:

Hi,

This post pretty much describes how I feel about my PhD at the moment - I'm 3 months in like you, but in social science, and the only thing I'm required to produce is a 12,000 word literature review at the end of February. That's 5 months literally just reading and writing, and I feel like I'm going insane. I can't make myself work for more than maybe 1-2 hours a day, sometimes even less. I do (in theory) enjoy the topic I'm working on, in fact I used to feel really passionately about it, but since I started the PhD I've just lost it. I can't concentrate on reading, everything I write seems like crap and I can't get a clear head to sort out what exactly I'm trying to do and how to go about writing the lit review. I spend a lot of time mindlessly checking my email, reading the news, etc, etc. Wasting time basically. And waiting until I can reasonably go home. The problem is that any time I do spend not working on my PhD, I still can't relax because I know it's waiting for me and I'm going to have to do it sooner or later. My motivation is at zero - help!


Try mytomatoes dot com. It's a simple timer basically, whereby you concentrate for 25 minutes, then it gives you a five minute break. It gets you in the swing of things. Don't worry about writing crap. Many people on here (and indeed myself) find that the best thing to do is to write a load of crap then review it, then write a load more crap, then review and correct it a bit and to basically end up with a document by gradually improving it.

Also, remember that for the first few months you should just be getting into the subject really. After 6 months look back and compare what you knew at the start to that. It suddenly seems a lot whilst as you went along you wouldn't have felt you were learning much.

False sense of security...?
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My PhD is rather different to yours (I'm working as an RA whilst doing it and it is computer based) however, I found, like many others on the board, that the first few months often seem to involve doing very little indeed. I've never worked out why. I felt I was doing bugger all for the first 2 months certainly, and it only gradually progressed to the point I'm at now a year and a half in, whereby I feel I actually do a days work each day.

Perhaps try to force yourself to do some extra to get in the swing of a full days work, but I wouldn't worry too much to be honest.

Just one opinion, I don't know if there is someone more chemistry based that can offer some good advice?

Anyone else looking to give up PhD to become a chef?
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Probably be doing the job I was doing before I started - Design Engineer. Dull isn't it? I suppose I may well have emigrated if I wan't doing this job/PhD.

Assuming I was young and single I would just leave the country and travel for a few years, working when needed as I go until I eventually settle down doing something somewhere, probably something random I can't think of now.