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Why did you leave/are considering leaving academia?
T



As I'm not a psychologist, I'll refrain from taking part in the survey.

However, you'll probably find the following:

1) No progression beyond PhD once complete, due to a lack of available posts as a result of lack of funding for post-doc positions (oversupply of PhDs with respect to research or academic positions);

2) Fixed term contracts for research positions, leading to a lack of financial and employment security with no guarantee of continued employment once contract draws to a close - the financial issue prevents people starting out on the property ladder or easily obtaining a mortgage / home loan);

3) Lack of routes into academic tenure once researchers are ready to move into acadeic posts proper;

4) Lack of consistecy of leadership regardless of position (PhD student, researcher, academic), varying from very good to downright awful (I for example found myself in dispute with a senior academic I didn't start, provoke or want - that was my end);

5) Low level of pay compared to some private sector positions.

I'm sure people can think of more. Those I mention are from a UK perspective though other nationalities will probably recognise most or all of the above.

Ian


I am not a psychologist either but I wholeheartedly agree with what written by Ian, I think he nailed it. Perhaps point 4 doesn't apply everywhere but the rest pretty much does.

Is a PhD worth it for me?
T

Unfortunately, I believe that if you want to work outside academia, recruiters will always value more previous professional job experiences than a PhD.
Also consider that a PhD is a very specialized piece work, often with a narrow scope, therefore you might learn much less than you think; while the job market doesn't require you to know how to do perfectly something but to be able to handle many different things and projects.
Anyway in your field is a gamble that you can take without risking too much. If you were going to apply for a PhD in the humanities or social sciences (except economics perhaps) I would say stay very clear of a PhD.
I earned one through great pains and now I struggle badly in the job market but mine was in the social sciences.

PhD and OCD
T

I suffer of depression and yes it affects my PhD negatively and vice versa my PhD affects my depression negatively.
Nevertheless I guess that if and when I will manage to finish it, I will feel like having accomplished something and I might get a psychological benefit from completion. I am too far in it to think to quit now.
Abandoning a PhD should be carefully thought through. It depends on the stage at which you are and how bad it feels. You have many options before quitting: getting therapy, CBT could help with OCD, getting medication or both. You could also take a suspension on health grounds if you think that it could help you to restore your energy and getting over the bad patch. Write me in pvt if you like.
Good luck!
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The One Goal Thread
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Quote From Batfink27:

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So so tired now, and not thinking sharply any more, so I'm going to call it a day I think. Back to it tomorrow for a few hours, then off to watch rugby and then have a girlie film night with some friends. And then more work on Sunday. Ah well, it'll be worth it when I get past my nasty deadlines next week and everything feels more under control!

Have a good weekend everyone!


tired too now I might go for a run or gym....
what rugby match will you watch?
my team, Italy, won't stand much of a chance tomo... although with Ireland they played better than I thought.

The One Goal Thread
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Quote From ady:

You sound on a roll these last few days Tusco, good for you (up)


Thanks Ady.
Actually today I've been sluggish and ended up revising what I wrote and re-reading some documents that I reviewed a while ago to feed in my lit review update. Hopefully I will get some 'beef' tomorrow.
Let's keep positive!(up)

The One Goal Thread
T

Perfectionism is possibly the main reason for delaying the achievement of the PhD, beside with procrastination....I know it by experience!


Quote From Batfink27:

That does sound like a lot of work Ady - very impressed! How you haven't fallen over with exhaustion yet....

I've been working hard all day and don't feel like I've achieved much, even though I know I have really. I've prepared paperwork and most of my interview schedule for interviewing a participant on Monday, apart from a couple of points that rely on me getting development of my questionnaire finalised. And the finalisation of the questionnaire relies on some information I hope to get from Monday's interview. Hmm, feeling a bit of an impossible circle there! I think I need to stop trying to make everything perfect and accept that I don't yet have the information to make things as final as I'd like!

The One Goal Thread
T

Morning everybody.
Yesterday I managed to add 650 words to my literature review update, which I will continue to develop today. The target is to add at least the same amount of words and possibly more.
Finally I am starting to feel a little bit more positive after a long time.
Have a good day!

The One Goal Thread
T

Morning All,
after finishing the revision of a journal paper I am now back on my PhD at last!
I will need to carry on with my update of the literature review....what a joy! :-)
Have a good day

Pretty much in despair now
T

I could have written your same post. I have your same feelings. We are too far into it to throw it away so we have no option but finishing (unless we are becoming clinically insane). My advice is to see your GP and a counsellor because chances are that you are depressed (I am), hopefully they'll help you to feel better which in turn will increase your ability to work.
You'll get there, like I will.
Good luck! ;-)

The One Goal Thread
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Quote From Batfink27:

Things are finally starting to improve with this paper, thank goodness! I tried switching to handwritten and managed another paragraph, then I got really angry with myself, then I got so frustrated I thought I might cry, then I went and sat in the loos and banged my head against the wall (metaphorically, that is). Now I think I've got past the block by starting from a slightly different place in the literature! Oh dear, ridiculous! It's taken me 2 full days to write 680 words! And now I have a thumping headache and want to go home :-(


academic writing is very hard at times, a strategy to ease things is writing an argument without caring of references first and then adding this later: I think that helps to acheive some flow and therefore diminish frustration
good luck!

The One Goal Thread
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Morning to everybody.....I didn't go far yesterday, I wasn't well and I had to stop. I'm trying again today but I' struggling with low mood....
Have a productive day!

The One Goal Thread
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My goal today is to finish the bloody paper that I am still editing following the recommendations of a reviewer

Switching PhDs
T

It's difficult to answer this. It should not hinder your applications if you can motivate convincingly why you decided to abandon your PhD program to apply for another. I know somebody that did cut short a PhD that didn't like getting an MPhil and then applied, got in and completed a PhD in a related field. You might want to consider this route, even though it would take longer.
Good luck!

relationship problems and research
T

Sorry to hear about your breakup: PhDs do put a strain on relationships and sometimes this might be too much for a relationship to survive; although I believe that usually the strain is just a trigger for a crisis which was lingering there before.
Now you need to take good care of yourself: don't isolate from fellow students and friends. There's nothing shameful in a break up and people are always sympathetic because they all know how it feels. Re-establishing a social life outside the couple it's very important: maybe you can get involved in a postgrad society or some other social activities (e.g. starting a salsa course , joining a walking group). Doing some sports regularly will also help you to keep your mood in check.
Good luck ;-)

The One Goal Thread
T

Hi everybody,
I'm here today too to spend some time working on my bloody paper, which still needs some work to meet the requirements of the referee. Struggling with motivation as usual but I guess it's better a late start and few hours of work than nothing.
Have a productive Saturday
;-)