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Thread: I'm starting a PhD but the position I was waiting for just came out

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14-Oct-19, 10:07
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Hello guys, I want to thank you for your answers, they've been useful to me. I decided to stay here without applying for the other one. I think I have a good position, I spent one week in the lab and I like the people I'm working with, I like my PI a lot and I like the project as well. Furthermore, I think that the project has great potential and that I will have the freedom to handle it in the way I think it's better. Time will tell if this has been a good decision, but I have good feelings!

Thread: I'm starting a PhD but the position I was waiting for just came out

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03-Oct-19, 12:09
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This new PhD is not an offer and it will probable be a least 6 months before starting. In your previous post you were worried about money and said you quit your old job. So can you support yourself until the next PhD starts, even if you get it?

Probably it won't start before January, that's true. At the moment I'm in my hometown so living for some months won't be a problem. Actually it could even be better because yesterday I've been told that I won't take any money before at least December for the PhD I'm starting now, because of the slow time of the university. Not ideal as well...

Thread: I'm starting a PhD but the position I was waiting for just came out

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03-Oct-19, 12:07
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Hi, Sandrett, my suggestion is that if you want to study in a reputable institution, you'd better refuse what you have promised as soon as possible, because this might not cause lots of problems to the university you applied before, since this university still have chance to recruit phD students. What I really want to say is that never felling shame to make a better choice when you want to pursue you dream, just let it happen.

I cannot refuse it before I have the other one because I will risk to remain with nothing. Unfortunately, and that's what's making me think a lot, if I refuse it they cannot take another PhD student and the fellowship will be lost. That's what I've been told before accepting it, when I was about to refuse the MC.

Thread: I'm starting a PhD but the position I was waiting for just came out

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02-Oct-19, 22:39
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I'm sorry to be annoying but I would really need a suggestion... Or just someone that would virtually slap my face!

Thread: I'm starting a PhD but the position I was waiting for just came out

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01-Oct-19, 13:04
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Hello everybody, I apologize for opening another thread but it seems that I'm struggling more than I should for my PhD decision. I'll try to briefly summerise my story: in July I got a Marie Curie ITN position, I accepted it but actually I never wanted it because the project was not exactly what I wanted. I accepted it also because in those days I discovered that I got refused for the PhD program in a world known institute that would have been my first choice. When I was applying for the ITN, I was also applying for other programs and I got called for an interview in September. I got into this program and after talking with the PI I decided to renounce to the Marie Curie and to join his lab. I like the project, I like the city that is not far from my hometown and the institute seemed really nice. My only regret was that I won't have a so strong name as the Marie Curie on my CV, but I was happy and I was looking forward to starting. The starting date is tomorrow and I'll go there to talk to them and start the enrolling process. Everything was good but some days ago I discovered that there's an open call in that world-known institute with a PI that I like since years, probably one of the best in the world in the field. I don't know if I should apply or not. I'm happy with the position I got and I would be sad to refuse it and of course I would be unfair for the second time refusing something I already accepted, but the eventual PhD in the other institute would open me a lot of doors when I'll be done. I know it's hard to get that position, but I think I have some chances, so I want to be quite sure to accept it in case I get it. Hope you can help me in this other though decision!

Thread: PhD Fellowship is lower than I was told

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26-Sep-19, 11:36
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First of all, thanks to everybody for the advices. I sent an email asking for explanation and the PI told me that it was his error and that's why he will integrate my fellowship, but I need to keep it confidential. He doesn't know how yet but I will probably receive the difference between the 2 fellowships at the end of each year. This is not ideal since I would have preferred to have it monthly, but it more or less solves the problem. Unfortunately my family's economic situation is not ideal and that's why I applied to the MC even if the project was not ideal. I accepted it after I got refused to a program that was my first choice and this was my main error, I was a bit pushed to accept it because it was a MC and it was stupid to refuse, even because I didn't have any other PhD position. After accepting it, I quitted the job I had as a technician, that was in a top university in Europe. Probably the best thing to do was just to refuse the MC, keep that job, make more experience and try again for the next call in December. Now I have this position that I like, I don't want to regret because I think it's a good position, I just feel I put down my ambition to work in a top institute for my PhD. Also, I'm afraid that doing the PhD in my home country instead of doing it abroad could not be ideal for my career. I know this could sound arrogant, stupid and off topic as well now, it was just a stream of all the thoughts that I have right now and that are fighting to each other. I hope this is normal before starting a PhD and I'm not too problematic...

Thread: PhD Fellowship is lower than I was told

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25-Sep-19, 03:14
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Do you have the 1450 offer in writing?

Unfortunately I don't... We spoke about the project, I visited the center and met the lab members. At the end, after I had a good feeling about everything, I asked about the money because I was going to renounce to a high fellowship and I've been told a gross annual salary and an approximate monthly net one. They were both different from the ones I've been proposed now.

Thread: PhD Fellowship is lower than I was told

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24-Sep-19, 21:41
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Just for reference, I am in the UK and get £1200 a month. During term time I roughly get an extra £300 from extra teaching/marking (5 hours a week at £16.50 per hour) and have no mandatory teaching obligations.

Low pay is a typical part of a PhD and 1100 sounds right unless you are in an expensive city. I don't know how much it varies in other countries but I don't think you will get a much higher salary, unless the PhD has special funding. If money matters so much, I would recommend not to do a PhD . If you turn this down you will have turned down 2 PhDs and you will regret both decisions. You might be able to supplement your fellowship with extra teaching but 1100 should be enough to live on.


Hello, I understand this but that's not my point. The problem is that I've been told something different. I know that I can live with this amount, but it wasn't the deal I had with the PI. He knew that I had a really high fellowship and that's why I asked him about the salary I was going to earn. It wasn't my priority of course, I gave top priority to the project and the environment, but I cannot ignore that I'm payed for what I do. Maybe I would have accepted this position anyway, but I just think that this is not fair.
I also want to say that I don't want to quit this PhD, I like the project, the research center and the city as well, I really thought that it was the right choice for me, but now I feel angry and disappointed. I already sent him an email to ask for explanation, but I want to ask for an integration, even if I don't know if this is possible.

Thread: PhD Fellowship is lower than I was told

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24-Sep-19, 15:36
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Hello everybody! I opened a thread a couple of weeks ago where I was asking suggestions about which PhD program I should have joined. I had to decide between a Marie Curie ITN in another country and another program in my home country, with a lower fellowship of course, but with a project that I preferred. After talking with the PI, I've been told that the fellowship was about 1450 euros each month, way less than 2200 I was going to earn with the Marie Curie, but still ok. I decided to choose the project instead of the money and the name on the curriculum and I was not regretting my choice, until today. I discovered that the fellowship is not the one they talked about, but it's about 1100 each month. Now I really don't know what to do, I'm just extremely disappointed. I don't know if I should contact the PI asking for explanations or if I have to drop down this offer. Maybe I should start but I should keep looking for a better position. I was really looking forward to start but now the only thing I can think is that I renounced to a salary that is the double of this one. Any suggestion is welcomed! Thank you!

Thread: Quitting a Phd that I already accepted

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13-Sep-19, 09:49
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Hello guys, I just want to tell you that I refused the Marie Curie position. I hope this will be the right choice, in this moment I feel really strange but I think I will be happy in the lab I'm going to join. I'm a bit afraid that I won't have all the doors opened when I'll finish with this, but maybe if I do a good job I will still have good chances when I'll be done.

Thread: Quitting a Phd that I already accepted

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11-Sep-19, 13:41
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Hello, thank you for your advice, it will be useful and I appreciate you being hard on this because honesty is absolutely what I need, but please don't talk about things you don't know. I am grateful for what I obtained but I know how hard I worked to get here and I think I deserved everything.

Ok. Now the situation is completely different. If you have two offers, absolutely, it is wise to compare. Put also in comparison the prospective supervisors. If possible, try to see review about them not only their research output but also how they deal with PhD students.
If you feel that you deserve your offer and you are grateful at the same time, then you have the right attitude. I just warn you because I have seen some PhD students who think they are the gift of heaven to the lab. I do not want you to fall in this trap. Appreciating what you have and still feeling qualified for it is a difficult but a helpful mixture.
If I were you, I would go with my gut feeling. The difference in money does not matter much if you would be able to pay your bills. The reputation of the lab will not make a big difference. The project, supervisors and your personal gut feeling are more important especially for people who passionate and emotional. I personally follow my gut feeling and passion and recommend everyone to do this unless it is really crazy.
Whatever your decision is, do not regret it and close the page of the rejected offer and move on.

Thank you a lot and apologize if I sounded rude in my previous message. I'll be following my gut feeling and it's probably leading me to the position I just got. Probably I'll be reminded as the only one that refused a Marie Curie, but who cares if I'm happy! :D

Thread: Quitting a Phd that I already accepted

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10-Sep-19, 16:08
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I think eng is being harsh, you shouldn't take a position unless you are sure about it / can put up with it. My advice would be that, but to bare in mind that rejecting this position could be a very grave risk. I wouldn't reject it UNLESS you get offered something else you prefer, as you might end up with nothing. Eng is right, it won't be much of a strife for the Uni if you did quit, slightly annoying maybe, but plenty of others will be available to take your place. Your last question - is it wise? Probably not! But you only live once. Think long and hard about it.

Thank you for your answer! I opened this topic yesterday and today I've been offered with the position I was talking about. I should decide not later than tomorrow, it won't be easy but I'm really trying to evaluate everything without ignoring the gut feeling that is really personal and important. At the moment I should just choose one of the two and I have to compare prestige, money and curriculum against a project that I prefer and being closer to my home. Not easy at all, hope I can make the right decision without regrets.

Thread: Quitting a Phd that I already accepted

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10-Sep-19, 14:11
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Hello. I do not like normally to be hard but unfortunately, I have to be.
You don't get how the way life is. Thinking that you always deserve better is wrong at the first place. There is a narrow borderline between being ambitious and being ungrateful. Life does not owe anyone anything. No one gets the dream project in his/her dream city. A good PhD position in a nice city is a dream of many qualified graduates. I know personally Master graduates who sent tons of applications to get a PhD in a close related field and they were not successful.
Regarding the lab and the supervisors, if you quit, you won't bother them at all. They are enough qualified PhD students waiting for your chance. If you quit now, it is even better for them.
Now comes my advice. First appreciate what you have. Start your PhD. Work and finish it. But if you start feeling you do it for the sake of pity to the lab or you feel you are sacrificing for them, there will be nothing good coming out of this.

Hello, thank you for your advice, it will be useful and I appreciate you being hard on this because honesty is absolutely what I need, but please don't talk about things you don't know. I am grateful for what I obtained but I know how hard I worked to get here and I think I deserved everything. I just want to make the best decision for my future and I don't want to start something if I'm not convinced because this would mean wasting someone else's time and mine as well. I know that there are lot of people that don't get any positions, but this doesn't mean I should get the first one without evaluating what's best for me. I applied only to a few positions, I was good and lucky enough to get two and I don't want to make a wrong decision.

Thread: Quitting a Phd that I already accepted

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09-Sep-19, 16:42
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Hello guys,

I'm writing here because I think I need some advice. I want to start a PhD this year and after graduating at the end of November 2018, I worked in a lab as a technician and I applied for some positions during the summer. I got a really good position, even if it wasn't the one I was wishing for: nice project even if it's not exactly what I wanted to do, nice city even if it's not my dream one, really high fellowship (Marie Curie). When I got this position I didn't have anything else and I was waiting for some other results and even if I was about to refuse it I decided to accept because I was feeling quite stupid to refuse such a position. I've been told that it was a big chance for me (and I'm actually sure it is) and that probably I can't get better training than the one offered by the ITN. I signed a contract, not a very strict one in my opinion since there weren't my IBAN and ID on it, but still a contract. Now I should start the procedure to get enrolled and I should sign another contract when I'll be there, at the beginning of October. The problem is that I'm still not convinced. Moreover, it seems that I could get another PhD position, closer to my place, with a project that I would prefer, but with a lower fellowship and of course without all the advantages that being in a Marie Curie network could have. I feel bad in refusing the position that I already accepted because I think I can put the lab and the PI in a really uncomfortable situation and I still don't know if it would be the right choice to refuse this one. Would it be that bad and unpolite from me to refuse this position 20 days before starting? Is it really wise to refuse a Marie Curie position? Hope you can help! Thanks!
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