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Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

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09-Jul-18, 13:34
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Quote From profkmorrell:
In terms of procrastinating, one suggestion might be to avoid using this general label and instead try to think more specifically about what is happening at particular times with particular tasks in relation to particular goals [...]



Absolutely, I should really set daily aims and will do this for the next day before leaving uni on the day before. Thanks for this and all the other help!

Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

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09-Jul-18, 13:31
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by nordsee
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It's great you are getting help. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to add more.

Often in my view the 2nd year can be the hardest. It's difficult to generalise but often the first year is all new and a bit more structured so it can go by fairly quickly (also you have an end of year exam to concentrate on). By the time you are in the later stages 3rd/4th year you have a block of work behind you and can feel the pressure of deadlines coming up so it is still anxious but drives focus. It's hard to generalise but the 2nd year can feel like drifting which is a different kind of anxiety and often more uncomfortable for some.

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Another positive on procrastination this might sound a bit crazy but the best general suggestion I can offer is really work hard on your morning routine. If you get the first hour right it helps so much. And also start this the night before writing a 2-3 minute plan for the day. Again I can try and say more just let me know :)


I'm in my first year and would love to have some structure. All I get in structure is sometimes a little push from my supervisor in a certain direction. But I personally feel that I either end up in dead ends or that in areas where I can see the wood for the trees. I'm doing a PhD in the UK and the overall time should only be three years in total.

You are right, I should be clarify what I think my supervisor is thinking.

yeah, I'm already doing the morning thing and it clearly works best, although not satisfactory.

Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

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09-Jul-18, 13:27
by nordsee
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Ooops, I edited my reply while you responding to it! It is slightly different now (I noted that you didn't have funding and added something else).

Yeah, not being funded gives certainly more flexibility (you can't loose anything if you don't have it), but its it actually possible to transfer to another institution and to be still in 2nd year (which will start soon)?

Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

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06-Jul-18, 14:10
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yeah, I don't think it is a short term low, since it's going several months now and only getting worse even after my one week holiday. However, I want to rule out any other reasons which are influencing my attitude towards my PhD studies, as I always wanted to become an academic and to stay at uni. However, the environment at my current uni is not what I'm used to from both my BSc and MSc uni. A lot of people seem to be very isolated. Can't tell whether is this willingly or unwillingly.
Yes, I'd love to have a doctorate, but if I don't stay in academia it's just a fancy title and doesn't really have any further use for me.

So, I better come up with some alternative pathways before I leave the programme or have to pay another year tuition.

Thanks again!


It's so so important to be happy (and in turn productive) in your context. Can you switch to somewhere else and take your funding?


Unfortunately there is no funding. I was so keen to do a PhD that I decided to finance it with savings, parental support, part-time jobs.

As far as I know changing the university would to start again.

Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

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06-Jul-18, 14:06
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It's difficult without knowing more about your situation but my experience has been that most people who do a PhD think of quitting at some stage. They also do tend to find it very isolating. Doing a PhD especially in the social sciences or humanities is almost like becoming a monk. It does sound like you have been struggling for some time with this, I feel for you. If you really think other kinds of work would be very dissatisfying then it may be worth persevering with your PhD because you will have greater autonomy in academic study than in many occupations. [...] .


I'm impressed by your reply. Thank you so much for it.

As you say, I've already contacted student services two days ago and got a first counselling appointment for in two weeks. I'm really hoping that the root of the issue is elsewhere and that counselling may help me to identify this.

In my first review, my supervisors expressed their satisfaction stating that my progress is quite more advanced for someone at my stage. I have to say, I was quite motivated at that time and produced a lengthy report / review concerning the technical aspect of my studies. I enjoyed working on it and learned actually quite something. However, now I'm on the political science part of study and don't really find a lot of useful things (or I don't recognise them as useful). This said, my background is not political science...
This situation is getting worse for about 6 months now. From my lead supervisor's facial expression and can clearly see that the level of satisfaction has decreased. Clearly, the current situation is quite different to when I started. I'm not really producing anything, which has to with two things a) I can't really find a lot of relevant things and b) I procrastinate like crazy despite coming into grad school and "working" from there.

Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

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06-Jul-18, 13:10
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Thanks for the further replies and suggestions!

@Becky1210

Why exactly did you drop out then? Didn't want an "average" PhD? Didn't expect a thriving academic idea? What are your doing now?

However, what you are describing pretty much sounds like me. I'm very hard working and really have to say my BSc and MSc were simply a lot of work, but that's it. The BSc was even harder...

My topic is used to be interesting, but this is decreasing now. Not entirely sure about the reason yet. Anyway, it is definitely not keeping me awake at night...

@Tudor_Queen:

yeah, I don't think it is a short term low, since it's going several months now and only getting worse even after my one week holiday. However, I want to rule out any other reasons which are influencing my attitude towards my PhD studies, as I always wanted to become an academic and to stay at uni. However, the environment at my current uni is not what I'm used to from both my BSc and MSc uni. A lot of people seem to be very isolated. Can't tell whether is this willingly or unwillingly.
Yes, I'd love to have a doctorate, but if I don't stay in academia it's just a fancy title and doesn't really have any further use for me.

So, I better come up with some alternative pathways before I leave the programme or have to pay another year tuition.

Thanks again!

Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

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05-Jul-18, 11:09
by nordsee
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Thank you Nad75 and tru for your replies and the advice. I really appreciate it.

@Nad75 I'm cutting it down now to 5 days and 9-5 and will see how this goes. However, I just spend a week back in Germany without doing anything and I expected my motivation to be higher again. Well, it was pretty good on Monday, but now it is simply getting worse again... I'm not entirely confident about the issue here, but reading what @ Tru wrote, I see at lot of matches to my personality and came up with similar thoughts already.

@Nad75, I think I will do the two week thing and then see whether @tru's reply is the situation here.

Thanks again!

Thread: Dropping out of PhD - what's next?

posted
02-Jul-18, 11:57
by nordsee
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Hi everyone,
I'm currently at the end of my first year of a fully self-funded PhD study and I need to make a choice whether I should pay another year of tuition fee or to drop out. Maybe someone else is or was in the same situation...

I was quite successful throughout my BSc and MSc both academically and personally (i.e. social life). I enjoyed my previous studies and the quick results (papers, exams...). Then I started working and it really bored be like nothing before (two different jobs on two different continents). I wanted to get out of it and thought a PhD may be the right thing, since I've always enjoyed uni.

However, a PhD is absolutely different. I don't really have any contacts here and don't know how to change this. My PhD topic averagely interests me and I'm sure I could somehow do it if I had more motivation. Social life etc could contribute to this. However, is this the issue? Currently, I'm coming into uni 6-7 days a week and trying to force myself to do some work. However, I mostly procrastinate. I'm already considering to quit, but have no plan for afterwards. The alternative of doing some boring and meaningless stuff in an office simply kills me.

Was anyone in the same situation? If so, what did you do about it?

I very, very much appreciate any sort of report on your experience. Thanks in any case!
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