Publishing with Supervisor, but Got Ditched!!!

posted
04-Sep-15, 03:00
by PhDdiva
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posted about 4 years ago
Several months past, I approached one of my dissertation committee members (who is not faculty in my department and a world renowned expert in my area of research) about publishing some papers with me and he agreed. I sent him a few drafts of some papers, which he said were well written and provided some good feedback. Then out of nowhere he emailed me and told me that I should publish within my own department and discipline, and essentially ditched me. What is up? Totally confused!!!
posted
04-Sep-15, 09:18
edited about 16 seconds later
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posted about 4 years ago
Probably some internal politics somewhere. Why did you choose to publish with that person and not your supervisors?
posted
04-Sep-15, 11:45
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posted about 4 years ago
Because he was a world renowned expert in their area of research?
posted
04-Sep-15, 12:25
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posted about 4 years ago
One possible reason might emerge if you google the Lacour / Greene mess. I imagine a lot of senior folks will be more wary of publishing now when they know their name is on the paper because they are famous, not because they've really contributed to the paper. Not that I'm suggesting that you've fabricated data of course, more that I think very arms length collaborations like the one you outline are being frowned on a bit these days, and maybe that is why he's changed his mind.
posted
04-Sep-15, 13:17
edited about 19 seconds later
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posted about 4 years ago
Quote From Barramack:
Because he was a world renowned expert in their area of research?


Thank you Barramack, yes I read that.

Perhaps I should have asked a more direct question or two: Were your supervisors to be included on the paper, and if not, why not? And if they weren't, do you think that could be the issue?
posted
04-Sep-15, 13:32
by Eds
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posted about 4 years ago
Why is the thread called 'Publishing with Supervisor, but Got Ditched," if you *weren't* publishing with a sup? Just out of curiousity.
posted
04-Sep-15, 17:45
edited about 10 seconds later
by PhDdiva
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posted about 4 years ago
I chose to publish with this person because they are one of committee supervisors, plus works in my area of interest. Absolutely!! the person was going to be an author on the papers.
posted
04-Sep-15, 23:17
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posted about 4 years ago
It sounds like you want them on your paper just for their name. He didn't do any of the work or guide anything you've written. Shouldn't it be your supervisor, whose given you the phd?
posted
05-Sep-15, 11:39
edited about 25 seconds later
by Eds
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posted about 4 years ago
Quote From PhDdiva:
I chose to publish with this person because they are one of committee supervisors, plus works in my area of interest. Absolutely!! the person was going to be an author on the papers.


Interestingly, this in no way answers my question. Never mind :)
posted
07-Sep-15, 12:09
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posted about 4 years ago
I think we are confused as well because this person appears to be not from the UK, so when they are saying 'supervisor', they don't mean the UK version of a supervisor, but more someone from their thesis advisory committee.
posted
08-Sep-15, 02:49
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posted about 4 years ago
Why don't you just contact the person and ask them?
posted
08-Sep-15, 10:06
edited about 7 minutes later
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posted about 4 years ago
Quote From Eds:
Quote From PhDdiva:
I chose to publish with this person because they are one of committee supervisors, plus works in my area of interest. Absolutely!! the person was going to be an author on the papers.


Interestingly, this in no way answers my question. Never mind :)


I have to admit I misread the heading for this thread as well. I thought she meant ditched in relationship terms. My mistake (sorry). :-)

Ian
posted
08-Sep-15, 10:10
edited about 2 minutes later
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posted about 4 years ago
Quote From bewildered:
One possible reason might emerge if you google the Lacour / Greene mess. I imagine a lot of senior folks will be more wary of publishing now when they know their name is on the paper because they are famous, not because they've really contributed to the paper. Not that I'm suggesting that you've fabricated data of course, more that I think very arms length collaborations like the one you outline are being frowned on a bit these days, and maybe that is why he's changed his mind.


I just read that and all I can say is what a mess!!!

That's just it. If someone writes a paper and later problems are found with it, then other people listed as co-authors can be implicated even if their names are present only as courtesy.

Ian

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