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Is there still a chance for me to get a distinction
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I think the regulations are only guidelines.
In order to ensure parity with previous years, grade boundaries can and do move around. 70% may not be enough. Conversely 68% might be enough in some years. It works like this at school level too.
Someone here who is involved in marking might be able to clarify but I think I am right here.

publishing papers out of my completed PhD thesis
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I won't lie, reading about chasing increasing H-factors, citation scores and impact factors makes me glad I quit academia. I can feel the life being sucked right out of me just reading it :)
As an aside though, I am sure that self citations don't count towards any scores. That would be open to all sorts of abuse.

Relationship with supervisors unworkable months from finishing
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Quote From Kelpie1:
Thanks for your reply guys/gals!
I'm trying to muster up the strength of character needed to push through. The idea of rocking up to my graduation with 2 kids does sound appealing :).
I bet you do remember the process though - how demoralising it is, and how it can make you feel like a failure.


My PhD was largely fine although I couldn't fathom out what I wanted to do after I graduated.
What got me was the last few months when I switched off almost completely. My viva was very challenging and I just wanted the whole thing to be done. I couldn't think straight and I was feigning interest. Once I passed the viva I took another 6 weeks to finalise a couple of papers and give a conference talk. The last struggle was getting my final paper published which I no longer cared about. That dragged on for a few weeks. By the time I was done I was pretty broken and quit academia. I'm glad I went through the PhD but I'll never forget the horror of that final struggle. The switch-off came on so suddenly that it took my breath away. Had that happened a few months earlier I would definitely have walked away. Just goes to show that we all have our breaking point.

Relationship with supervisors unworkable months from finishing
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At this late stage you probably don't need your supervisors help anymore. I would resist further contact, write up and leave.
I'm afraid academia is peppered with these absolute bastards and you are better off getting finished and away.

Mphil upgrade fail...help??!!!!
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I'm afraid tru is correct. If your supervisor won't back you, you are in a very difficult position.
You should at least have your supervisor answer your question about why he has changed his mind.
I suspect he has been over-ruled by his department. Is he a new researcher?

Is this a fail?!!
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In which case you might be worrying for nothing.
It would have been a lot worse if those results had predicted something which had to then be fully refuted. THAT may have justified a rewrite.

Is this a fail?!!
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Family not understanding PhD... the worst for me was when I have loads and loads of work left to do and not much time left, and they were like "don't worry, it'll go really quickly!"


I stopped talking to people in the weeks before my viva for that same reason. Nobody can really help at this point. You've just got to remember what the viva is there to test and to make sure you feel you can defend your decisions.

You mentioned in another post that you over-ruled your supervisor because you didn't buy into their argument and suggested I might be from the same cloth. You are quite correct. There were many times where my supervisor said X and when I went to check it I came back to him and said actually it is Y and here is why. That was from my second month onwards and became a regular thing. The point was that I was doing the work and uncovering problems with his methods. Fortunately he was very good about it or that would have caused a real problem.
To be fair to him, we had a conversation right at the start about what we expected of each other and that made the relationship an absolute breeze.

Is this a fail?!!
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Quote From Dr_Crabby:
Also, pm133 I apologise for being a bitch, I'm pretty stressed but that's no excuse :)


No problem :)

I am not sure the advice I was trying to give you came out in my posts - I have a reputation for being pretty direct.

All I really wanted to advise was that if you are questioned (and you should be) about why you chose those methods she suggested, you want to avoid any hint that she made those decisions. I am assuming though, that you probably already know that.

I know this is stressful for you but if you haven't got that covered then it might be good to take a moment to think about how you'd handle it. In the pressure cooker of a viva it can be really easy to say things you might regret. I had a full-blown argument with my own internal examiner right at the end and the external had to step in. My internal used an unfortunate phrase which suggested that he thought I might have faked some results and I went from 0 to 100 mph in a split second. It's funny to think about it now but at the time it was nearly a disaster. He just didn't know that a tool I was using could give certain results and claimed it COULDN'T give those results, rather than asking whether it was the best tool to make those calculations. He was wrong to make a definitive claim like that and the external had to correct him.

Anway, that story probably isn't helping you much either =:-O....

Is this a fail?!!
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Blaming her is misguided.

It's your PhD, your thesis and your viva defence. You are going to be challenged on what you did and why you did it. Saying that you did it because you assumed your supervisor was correct and that you didn't subsequently and independently verify her advice would be a disastrous strategy. You need to think through exactly what you are going to say when asked about this. The viva is there to check that you have personally done the work and made the crucial decisions. A major slice of your thesis has fallen foul of this.

If you don't see that my pointing this out to you in advance of your viva and warning you what to expect is helpful to you then that would be a real shame.

Corrections and depression, are my meds working?
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I suspect none of us are medical doctors on here and can't really advise on what is a personal medical issue. There could be withdrawal symptoms and other related side issues which none of us are likely to know about.

You should really discuss this with the person who thought your condition was so serious that it required medication to help you in the first case.

Is this a fail?!!
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I would be re-writing my thesis to make these changes right now.
That way you are already ahead of the curve in terms of fixing things when you have your viva.
Rewt is right that your analysis of dodgy statistics is worthy of note but none of us can ease your mind over how your external will view that. Already being ahead of the curve and being able to demonstrate that during the viva will definitely help you.

As an aside, I always advise against people blaming their supervisor for mistakes like this. At this stage you are expected to know what you are doing and why. You are expected to be an independent researcher now. You shouldn't be relying on your supervisor for core parts of your thesis (and what you are describing is certainly core). That falls squarely on your shoulders I'm afraid. It sounds like you are owning this now though and are making the changes required.

A perspective on passing the viva
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Not so sure about point 3. Whilst you don't want to waffle, you do want to give fairly expansive answers.
This demonstrates a wider knowledge of the relevant areas and helps you satisfy the examiner more quickly that you possess the attributes required to pass. More importantly it reduces the number of questions they can ask and eats up time.

Computational Materials Science
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SaltyAbs, you really need to be focussing more on the research group whose work interests you the most rather than on the university. Then having identified suitable groups you want to evaluate the computational resources they have access to.

Phd with children help!
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Yeah you are correct here rewt. It's not about the hours you put in, it's what you get done in them. If Ellenh is good at compartmentalising stuff and can focus completely during the PHD working hours there should be no problem. If she has a good support network of other people who can help out with the children that would be ideal.

I think my original post was maybe a bit too negative.

My Last Words
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If there is a moderator online, you need to do something to try and help this poster.
The IP address used by the original poster to post that suicide note will be in your server logs and you can trace the country of origin and ISP from that. You should pass that onto the relevant police authority from that country immediately and ask them to trace the person. They should be able to do that with almost no effort whatsoever through the ISP.
Monkiaa is still alive as can be seen from the last login so really this needs urgent action.