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Possible to finish in 3 years?
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Luck?
The harder I work and the more I think and plan ahead, the luckier I seem to get.
I am not a big fan of using excuses for my failures.


Well personally I think there's a whole lot of luck involved in people's success. People can do all the planning they want, but if they are not in the right place at the right time, or don't know they right people, then it doesn't make much difference.


What you are calling luck, I call opportunities.
Opportunities occur literally all the time. Most people miss them.
The key is to be open to opportunities, to have the eye to spot them, the background to exploit them and the courage to try things. Most of this is under my control.
You are of course perfectly entitled to call this luck but like I said, everything I have ever achieved has been largely down to my efforts. To suggest it is simply nothing more than pure random luck which anyone else could have succeeded in exploiting is not something I agree with.

I will take one example from your post. Not Knowing the right person.
If you know your field you already know who the right people are.
So make contact with them or find someone who can do this for you.
There is no excuse for not at least trying to do this, failing to land a job with them and subsequently blaming "bad luck" because it is nothing of the sort. It is bad preparation.
Am I persuading you?

1 year after defense, still unemployed
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Quote From Wallace:
As far as location, I'm kind of locked into my home town of Boston.


Social immobility is a very large part of your problem.
You should be claiming benefits.
Under that scheme the government should pay for your travel expenses until your first pay check comes in to allow you to significantly widen your area for job hunting.

My son has just gone through that process at the age of 22. He has spent 2 months leaving the house from 5.30am and coming home at 10.30pm five days a week for a job in a call centre.
The dole office paid his first month's travel expenses and he has today had a phone call telling him he can pick up the keys to his new rented flat tomorrow morning.

That is very a tough thing for him to have gone through but as he said himself a couple of hours ago, "what was the alternative? Two months of hell but now I have a flat, a job, a 20 minute commute as of tomorrow and enough money to get my life on track PLUS I have work experience now."

Good luck with your job hunting.

Waiting for Result After Minor Revisions
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Hello, I am sorry you are still waiting. I know its a very difficult situation and I hope that they can sort this out ASAP.
All the best, I think you will get your PhD after the minor revision that you already did. May be your examiner is really sick and may be was admitted to the hospital ,thats why it was taking a very long time.


Hi BKA, thank you for your supportive message. Yes I can only assume my examiner was seriously ill and would obviously understand if this was the case. However, I was told she was back to work as of 6 weeks ago and was reading the thesis but yet I'm still waiting. If this goes into November I don't know what I'm going to do...I feel anxious about the result every day. Will keep you updated!


I know this doesn't help but if your examiner was off sick for so long it is very likely they have a huge list of higher priority things to sort out before your thesis makes the top of their pile. I imagine that is probably what is causing the delay. It may well only be a few hours work to check your thesis but that only matters once your thesis has surfaced at the top of their in tray.
Under these circumstances, some kind of communication to you from the examiner would probably help reassure you that you haven't just been forgotten.

Do you ever feel like people don't get what you do?
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Quote From newlease36:
I get asked to do things that my 'working' siblings wouldn't be expected to do.


Presumably you say No to these requests?

Do you ever feel like people don't get what you do?
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Quote From butterfly20:
I recently moved back to live with my parents because my scholarship ran out but I am still writing up my PhD-due to submit in December.

I feel like family just don't get that I'm busy or even have a job. I work from home a couple of days a week cos my uni is a 90 minute drive away. I'm constantly being asked to babysit my nephews,recently my sister asked if I could get home early from a conference that was a 2 hour drive away to babysit. My family are going out on socials and I'm being asked to make sure dinner is cooked for them etc. I have refused a couple of things my Mum and sister asked me to do, but all that happens is that they ignore me and so I end up doing them anyway.

Does anyone ever experience the same lack of understanding from people? If you think I'm being selfish or unfair feel free to tell me. But I am struggling to make people see just how hard this is, as well as actually make time to just work and focus on me? This was so much easier when I lived alone!


Yes. Parents are the worst. Especially when you are a mature student. I remember starting the PhD straight after my Masters at the age of 43 and my mum asking if I just wanted to be a perpetual student. I learned not to respect opinions like that. The PhD has taught me to be much more ruthless with others who do or say things to damage my peace of mind. Most of the time it isn't intentional but life is too short for allowing others to nip away at your sometimes fragile grip on self confidence. Unless they are offering advice I have actively sought from them of course. From my mother's point of view, I think she just wants to tell her friends that her son is NOT a student in his mid forties.

Possible to finish in 3 years?
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Quote From TreeofLife:
That's all great in an ideal situation and if you're luckily enough to be in a position to choose between different PhD projects initially. Not everyone is.


Luck?
The harder I work and the more I think and plan ahead, the luckier I seem to get.
I am not a big fan of using excuses for my failures.

1st semester PhD student-terrible feedback on my first draft of ethics approval forms
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I've calmed down after the initial shock and tried looking at the comments objectively. In most cases, the remarks are deserved! School girl errors which I could kick myself for.


I hate to be patronising but this is an excellent attitude to have.
It's all that matters. Ignore the personal stuff, focus on the message, make the changes and move on.

How to deal with competitive/ambitious students in my department?
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Quote From Nesrine87:
Hi pm133,

Thanks for your input. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of large crowds or networking either. Networking feels kinda creepy to me. I'm definitely stop worrying about it so much and just spend time with people I like! Life's too short to hang around with hyper-competitive weirdos :)


For me it's not so much creepy - more fake. The effect on me is the same though. A cold shiver down my spine and second hand cringe for those engaging in it thinking this it is effective. From a practical point of view, I just don't have time for more than one or possibly two friends. Large groups have cliques, weird unspoken social rules, involve lots of obligations, and all manner of time consuming and energy sapping crap which I simply can't be bothered with. Add to that the constant misuse of everyone else's time to nurture THEIR needs. Nope. Wife, children, one or two friends, done. When it comes to this PhD I have been utterly ruthless with everyone outside my immediate family.
Mind you, I am a grumpy sod so maybe you shouldn't listen to me :-)

Possible to finish in 3 years?
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Quote From TreeofLife:
Plus sometimes it's not the student but the supervisor who insists on seeing things again and again. Sometimes the work is completely fine, but supervisors insist on checking revisions.

And with regard to undergraduate stuff, that's great in an ideal situation, but what if you're approaching a PhD following a break from education or changing subject area? You can't relearn three years worth of work over a summer, plus half of it won't be relevant anyway and I don't think any supervisors expect a student to know their u/g stuff backwards - supervisors don't know it all anyway, particularly when it's not in their subject area.


Fair enough on the first point but I would strongly resist this. I would want to know why I wasn't able to do what he wanted after being told once. If he kept changing his mind there would be a very tense and terse discussion at the second draft.
I appreciate what you are saying in your second paragraph but it is also completely irrelevant to me whether my supervisor expects me to know undergraduate level work or not. I would ensure I had the background to allow me to succeed before taking the position on and I strongly believe that those who don't seriously risk over-running their funding or failing to succeed. If I didn't have time to get a good grounding before starting I simply wouldn't do the PhD. You would have to be absolutely insane to attempt a PhD in an area where you were weak on the undergraduate level. The PhD requires a good background. I either accept it and do something about it or ignore it and struggle.

This is my PhD. Not my supervisor's. Not the university's. Mine. I will have to sell this for the rest of my career.
Therefore I have a mindset that everything is my personal responsibility. When I interviewed for this PhD I also interviewed the supervisor and we had a frank chat about what kind of supervision would work and would not work for me. Had we not come to a mutual agreement I simply wouldn't have started the project and would have found someone else to work with. It is very important that you enter these arrangements from a position of strength. If one party is dominating the other then it will never work. There are hundreds of posts on this forum highlighting what happens when you don't do your groundwork on your supervisor. It can mean career suicide. In my case I made sure my supervisor knew I didn't want to be controlled over my working hours or working location. Neither did I want him in my office routinely checking up on me unless I contacted him for help. I also was very clear I wanted to write my own papers and that I didn't see him as being my spell checker. Of course all of this is within reason (I let him know when I am taking time off or working from home) and fortunately he wanted that arrangement himself so this works for us both. I am now writing up and expect to finish before my funding runs out.

For me this is a mindset thing.

Low ranked university, but fully funded and great supervisor
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Yes this. You don't say where the source is from for the rankings but a uni can be poorly ranked OVERALL, but have excellent prestige in a single department. At PhD level who you know counts the most, rather than the overall uni. Grades mean very little in getting onto a funded PhD. I got the standard 2:1 degree, but with multiple publications that's what got me to where I am.

Another point, staff will always be warm and encouraging to get you started. Then they will leave you to it and assume that you're getting on with things.


Absolutely. Part of the rankings come from the opinions of undergraduate students!!! Why on earth would anyone give credence to this sort of thing bearing in mind that it is very well known that people most likely to fill in feedback forms are those with a grudge.
You are also correct about it being about who you know rtaher than what you can do.
That's of course not to say that grades and ability aren't important but in my experience in industry and academia the main thing is who you know. It might not seem fair but it is absolutely obvious why it works like this. I have run my own company in the past and first and foremost I want to be able to trust my mortgage with this member of staff. The key is to be good enough to be able to get things done. Everything else is about personal relationships. The only people who want to work with arseholes are proctologists.

Possible to finish in 3 years?
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Another question: If you're good at managing complex projects, have a lot of discipline and have no obligation to obtain any credits or take part in any other uni courses, how realistic do you think is it to completely finish a PhD in 3 years? As a fresh graduate I'd never considered this possible, but with a few years of work experience and working on complex, long projects I do wonder whether it would be possible. What if you earn a bit of extra cash through tutorials and the likes? After all, this time comes off your research time.


It depends on how you get on. If you get plenty of results there is absolutely no reason to require more than 3 to 3.5 years. Others stress the importance of your supervisor and maybe that is common but the most significant thing I found was to ensure before I start the phd was that I was fully up to date with my undergraduate level of education. If you think about it this makes some sense. If you have a 2:1 then you have understood only around 60% of all of the undergraduate material each year on average and this knowledge will be heavily weighted towards your final year. This means you will likely have forgotten much of your first couple of years. This, in my purely subjective opinion, is the most serious flaw of people starting phds and one of the reasons for people taking 4, 5 and even 6 years to complete. Of course it would be helpful if people were told this before they start but perhaps supervisors expect you to revise during the summer before you start. My phd is in the physical sciences and to be honest I don't know how anyone can complete a phd in three years if their undergraduate level understanding of their own subject is weak.

So in summary, it is possible to graduate before your funding runs out but you need to stabilise your undergraduate level of understanding as a priority before you start.

Possible to finish in 3 years?
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Quote From Hugh:
What chickpea said.

Also the problem with a PhD is that it isn't just dependent on how hard and quickly you work. If supervisors don't give you prompt or proper feedback, then you'll just be waiting for ages, or have to keep submitting the same chapter over and over again (which takes time). Don't underestimate how important supervisors co-operation is for a finished thesis.


I am surprised that anyone would require to submit a chapter to their supervisor "over and over again" at the end of their phd. I expect my supervisor to read my thesis once and once only before submitting and my first draft to him will be of a quality I believe is absolutely 100% ready for submission. My opinion is that after my phd is over I am a research-ready independent researcher who doesn't need help to write reports. Is it really common for people to require this much support at the end?

Ready to quit because of department politics
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Quote From PenelopeFlowers:
...After finding out today that the department secretary (who doesn’t like me because I once questioned her and brought it higher up) has been tasked with recommending certain students for funding over others, .

I have to say, and I know this is not the best time, but you need to be VERY careful doing things like this for the reason you just highlighted! It sounds like you have screwed over a permanent member of staff only to find out that this person has a position of influence. There is a learning opportunity here. It's not just academia which has unethical practices. I don't know of any industrial position where going over the head of someone influential wouldn't cause you a problem and I've had more jobs than I can recall.
The only advice I can give is one from my own experience 20 years ago. A security guard tried to make me leave the office 10 minutes earlier than the 8pm close time. I refused and made him wait till I was done and went home feeling I had won on a point of principle. The next morning I had a very awkward talk with my boss who told me the guard had made a complaint and the management team had agreed that I should have left when asked. It turned out that there was a reason for him asking me to leave at that time and I had essentially behaved like an idiot. I went straight to his office and in front of his staff I apologised for being a dick. Problem solved and we got along fine after that. People can be bastards sometimes but it's worth remembering they are humans as well so it might be worth apologising to this person.

Any advice for a new start PhD?
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I should also add that there is absolutely no shame in quitting if this isn't for you. Knowing when to walk away is a character strength.

How to deal with competitive/ambitious students in my department?
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Quote From Nesrine87:
Hi forumites,

I’m a fourth-year PhD student. Due to a long list of personal events, I haven’t made good friends in my university. Also I am shy around new people but once I get over myself, I think I am a fun person to hang out with.

I have become friendly with a few students from my department but again due to circumstances, our relationships have been superficial. Recently, several large get-togethers have been organised as we have more students now. These involve around 15 people.

Naturally, I get on with some students better than others. Generally speaking, my university attracts hyper-competitive, ambitious students, and I find it very stressful dealing with these types as I feel like I am constantly being interrogated or ‘networked’. Even with the nicer students, there is still sometimes a sense of competition (“Oh you don’t speak fluent French? I thought everyone spoke French.”, “How have you not read that work?? I thought you were a fourth-year!!” etc.). After socialising, I feel very anxious, not relaxed as with non-PhD friends. I don’t mind having a moan about academia but 'shop talk' is 90% of the conversation.

Since some of these people may well be my peers for several years, I don’t want to just avoid everyone completely. My field is very small so I don’t want to get a reputation for being aloof or unfriendly. I could organise smaller get-togethers that exclude certain people but I worry that I will look like the ‘bad guy’. I would feel hurt if that were me being excluded. I could gently bring it up with some of the nicer people but I don't know how they'll react. It’s more than likely that if I invite 2-3 people for coffee, each of those people will tell other people, and then suddenly it’s a 10-person lunch.

I’d be grateful for any suggestions on how to navigate this! Thanks :)


I personally avoid people like this. Large crowds annoy me and networking at phd level is a waste of time because the vast majority will not be academics in the longer term. Seek out only those you are interested in and ignore the rest. Its better to be alone than to be surrounded by people who make you feel lonely and inadequate. If you are networking indiscriminately then you are wasting your time so dont worry about maybe needing these people in future.