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What should I do now?! Important advices needed!!!
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Dear people on the forum, I was attending my first year of Phd from Oct 2013, having been through a terrible arrangement of supervisory support and I didn't pass the proposal approval panal as a result. That has left me with a terrible outcome being asked to terminate my studies according to the penal rules. However, as I was given a chance of appealing the decisions made by the school chancellor to the University Academic Board Committee.

I appeal with the best efforts I can to inform them the problematic allocation of supervisory support to me as also asking my school to reconsider their decision. Unbelievably, the University Academic Board unanimously support my appeal and suggesting the chancellor to reconsider his decisions (by giving 3 months till Feb)

In the mean time, I have also been applying to other university just in case, thankfully I have also received offers from other universities for a Jan start of the new course...

Now here's the real challenge for me....

As being an International student, I am legally need to renew my visa if I decided to change my university for Phd study. However, here's the UKBA rule

'' The eight year limit will affect students applying for Tier 4 leave after having already completed a PhD in the UK; further leave under Tier 4 will not be granted if the student has spent eight years or more studying at degree level or above on either a Tier 4 (General) Student visa, a Student Visa issued before 31 March 2009, or a combination of the two.''

As I have already spent 5 years under PHD studies, only spent 1 year for the school I am in (However, it's not properly completed as I am also undergone an appeal process), If I am changing school by withdrawing my current one, that means I need to renew my visa with the new university,How should interpret my special case to that rule above, because I really want to change school for the better after winning that appeal!

Should I hide this year for my new application?
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Quote From TreeofLife:
Hi, if you are self funded, it should be relatively easy to find another department to take you on without asking too many questions.

I wouldn't put 'post grad researcher' in your CV though because that's obviously ambiguous and a possible euphemism for "I started a PhD and it didn't work out'. Depending on your integrity/desperation, you are better off just making up something to fill the gap (maybe by extending the dates of a previous job/degree), or maybe not mentioning you were even in the country and saying you were working in home country since they are highly unlikely to check references then anyway.

But... I'm going to be blunt: you saying 'the original subject interest didn't work out' or that you didn't see eye to eye with your supervisors is a cop out. These things are irrelevant in research. No-one cares whether you like your subject or get on with your supervisors, or agree with their opinions. You should still be able to a PhD with these issues - many PhD students have them. No-one is going to take a student who tells them this was the situation in their previous position and this was the reason they failed.

You need to work out the REAL reasons you failed your MPhil, because if you don't identify, accept and deal with these reasons, then you are likely to have another failure.


I am extremely thankful for your opinion! Much appreciate it,the only problem is when the new uni help me to renew the visa, then they might know the immigration state, or may I be honest? Does it hurt too much

Should I hide this year for my new application?
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Quote From thedrosophilist:
If withdrawing gets you a cleaner record, i guess then do it. I can't say I'm an expert in any of this, so please don't take anything i say as written in stone. I think a good option for you may be to maybe take a year or two away from PhD and maybe complete a short course- maybe do an MRes etc? It depends on which country you're applying from. Maybe showing you have done something and succeeded after the failed PhD will lift your chances rather than trying to go into another PhD outright. Again, i hope someone else answers this thread as well because I'm not sure what to do in your situation. But don't get depressed- things will get better!


Thanks very much, my case is that I can't do another lower level course because of visa. Do you think if I put as postgraduate researcher as that gap? If they ask i would say the original subject interest didn't work out. And I am starting off a new project now, I am self funded Btw

Should I hide this year for my new application?
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Quote From thedrosophilist:
How exactly would you hide this year in your CV? Have you been doing anything else in this year i.e a part time job? In general, your CV should state everything you've been doing in at least the most recent years of your life. Leaving a year conveniently missing may cause the interviewers to question exactly what happened in that year and might force you to explain the failed PhD in the interview itself, which might make it seem like you were purposefully trying to lie/be dishonest with them, which never goes down well.


This sounds tragic. The formal university asked me to withdraw to get a cleaner record, but withdraw would hurt my chance of reapplying a new visa. If I let the termination takes its course, then I am worried it could hurt my new application. What should I put in my CV...I am really depressed.

Should I hide this year for my new application?
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I posted a thread about reapplying a new phd after failing my first one as the subject interest didn't work with me with my supervisors. Now I really need to apply a new and start fresh.

The problem is should I ever mention this year of failure in my CV. If I hide it, would the new university know I failed the first one? What should I do maximize my chance of getting another phd and start fresh? Thank you

What Can I Do after being recommended to terminate?devastated
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Thanks for your advise, it's been a difficult one to experience through.
I may consult with my older teachers for references
I think I need to hide this year in my CV and move on with a better strategy for my new applications.

If they have let me fail, would they publish my information out there which could effect my secondary chance?

What Can I Do after being recommended to terminate?devastated
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I was the first year registered student for Mphil/Phd. It has been a shaky year for me since the beginning as I couldn't find my supervisors fully engaging with my research topic. Every time when I was trying hard to gather clues from them, they were either not on the same chapter with me or they just couldn't care less...Since then I knew I was at the wrong subject area for research with the wrong type of supervision for initiating intellectual debates...However, I have been so passive and naive by thinking about everything would turn out well if I bend my freewill harder in order to please them.

We've had 2 vivas, I failed the first one and gained the feedback from the panel that I should have listened to my supervisors properly. I knew that was going to be shaky one again as the supervisors couldn't share the same arguments among themselves. So I had to try harder by guessing whether they think if it's qualified for submission. The tragic news was my supervisors did approve many of the points I've made for my second submission, and everything sounded quite positive until the final viva turned out to be horrible disaster. Because the penal was still adopting with the original criteria, of which the ones had the contextual direction for research completely altered by me and my supervisors through agreement. My supervisors didn't inform me anything about this so that means I really did sent off a rocket towards another planet...Because I've failed those criteria, I have been asked to terminate...I know the appeal would have no chance because it's based on academic judgement

Now both my supervisors and research office suggested me to withdraw rather let the termination taking its course.I urgently need to apply for another Phd with a different subject area just after this failure. I don't want this termination affect my new applications.is there no chance to get these supervisors as referee or never? Thank you.