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Thread: Waiting for Result After Minor Revisions

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08-Sep-16, 20:15
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For anyone who might read this post in years to come: it's been over two months now and I still have no news. I feel very stressed as I've just started a new lecturing job and my colleagues have already put Dr next to my name...I've told them it's not official yet but I can hardly downplay it as they don't know the full extent of the issues I've had during my PhD. This long wait is making me very anxious and, after what has happened before, I'm now terrified I will fail. Will keep you updated.

Thread: Waiting for Result After Minor Revisions

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03-Aug-16, 12:03
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posted about 8 months ago
Thank you everyone for your lovely comments and support. Unfortunately I am still waiting...it's been over 3 weeks now. I have a feeling I'll still be waiting come September.

I've been going for a lot of job interviews recently (for lectureships) so officially having my PhD would have helped me out but at least I am able to say that I've submitted.

Half of me thinks that, because it's the summer, my external is likely to be on leave and that's the reason for the long wait. However, the other half of my fears a fail because she's taking so long to read what essentially would take her 2 hours to get through. I'll keep you all updated...

Thread: PhD issues of absolute supervisor neglect

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18-Jul-16, 19:06
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What a lovely post to read! I've had some issues with my supervision (and even bigger issues with my examiners and postgrad office) but am at the final hurdle now having submitted last week with minor revisions. I'm still terrified I'm going to be failed...I feel let down on so many levels.

Have you heard any stories about PhD students who were failed? My long story made short is that I had my viva in 2013, was given a 12 month major corrections period, resubmitted, was told by my school 4 months later that I had passed...then that I had failed...then that they had given me the wrong result (yes, this is true!!)...then that I had been given minor revisions. After all that drama I have now submitted for the last time.

I'm hoping with all my being for a pass so that this ordeal can be over but, if my external decides to fail it completely, is there any advice you could dispense? Thank you! :)

Thread: Waiting for Result After Minor Revisions

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18-Jul-16, 19:01
by faded07
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posted about 9 months ago
I submitted my thesis with minor revisions a week ago after an incredibly turbulent process post-viva (see my old threads for the long and tedious story!)

I feel relieved that I've got through the gruelling task of making the final revisions and have submitted for the very last time. However, due to the bad experiences I've had with my PhD so far, I know the possibility of an all out fail could be on the horizon.

My thesis in its final submission is 163,000 words long and, due to my major correction period followed by my minor revision period, I feel like the actual thread of my thesis has become lost thanks to the examiners' pushing and pulling of my research topic. I feel hard done by as I've had to see friends and colleagues graduate with their PhD's over the past couple of years whilst I've been made to slog on with mine and write double what some of my peers have had to write.

All in all, the PhD system in the UK is unjust, biased and illogical on many levels. I hope to seek change within it after my ordeal is over.

For now, I was wondering how long other PhD'ers have had to wait to hear back after submitting with minors? Bearing in mind, my minor revisions were not fixing a few spelling errors - they were a 12,000 word addition to the thesis of further points my external wanted addressed. The examiner should be able to read through it in a couple of hours but last time took 4 months to get back to me with an incomplete report.

I know that other people have been reading my threads over the years (and will continue to) so I'm desperately hoping I can post a happy ending here soon. It's been one hell of a bumpy ride to get to this point.

Thread: How long does it take to receive the result after submitting the amendment (post viva)?

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25-Apr-16, 15:51
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posted about 1 year ago
I was given major corrections - resubmitted last November and didn't get the result until February I'm afraid...so a solid 3 month wait. I have now been given minor revisions (the saga never ends!!)

Good luck to you - I hope you get your result soon as I know how agonising the wait can be. You put your life on hold as you can't be sure when that result is going to come through. Let me know how you get on! :)

Thread: Terrified of my viva

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25-Apr-16, 15:46
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The best advice I can give you from my experience is to anticipate the kind of questions your examiners are likely to ask based on their research expertise. Also, be wary of your internal. Often students assume that it is the external who calls the shots but I found my internal also put me through her paces! Whatever the research interests are of your examiners, expect questions emerging from this. Good luck!

Thread: Relieved but still terrified: minor revisions

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22-Feb-16, 15:37
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posted about 1 year ago
I thought I would update anyone who was interested in my ongoing situation as to what has happened now. (Long story short: had viva, given R&R, did revisions & resubmitted within a year, waited 3 months for result and was told by admin office two weeks ago that examiners had failed my thesis, got hysterical, then was told by the school to wait as the examiner reports were incomplete).

I have received my examiner's reports (much earlier than I had anticipated) and I have been given minor revisions! I was so incredibly relieved to hear this. Considering I'd been told that I'd failed two weeks ago, it was like my thesis was given back to me after I thought I'd never get control of it again. So obviously I am very happy and rang my partner followed by my mum in tears of joy!

However, having read the reports I'm feeling terrified again. Firstly: there are two distinct categories of minor CORRECTIONS (within 2 months) and minor REVISIONS (within 6 months). I got the latter. What my examiners have asked me to do makes very little sense and is incredibly vague. It is only my external who will see the thesis again but the short report I received from her was wholly critical and gave no positive feedback whatsoever. Although the official letter I received from my university says that "the thesis has met the standards for the award of PhD, but require me to make satisfactory revisions to the thesis within six months", the report from my external says that my 12 months of R&R corrections have "improved the thesis somewhat but do not bring it up to the standard required for a PhD".

Although these minor revisions are of course great news, I'm still terrified that I will do them (and they are not as 'minor' as the title suggests) and will still be failed. Bearing in mind my word count is 153,000 and will now rise even more.

Thanks to everyone for all the advice and support!

Thread: Inconsolable - Failed PhD after R&R

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18-Feb-16, 13:03
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posted about 1 year ago
Hi everyone,

Thank you all so much for your helpful and insightful responses. It really has meant so much during this difficult time.

I thought I would give you all an update...the situation has (perhaps unsurprisingly) become even more bizarre. I was told by the school last week that the reports received by the admin office were incomplete. Apparently they had only been sent the examiner's preliminary (individual) reports and an incomplete joint report. As a result of this, I've been told that my result cannot be confirmed until a completed joint report has been received. I was told that I'd have another 3 week wait for this.

I continue to be upset about the situation - am currently in bed with a bad dose of flu...I guess the stress hasn't helped. What's worse now is that the school have put a 5% glimmer of hope in my mind about my result. Maybe they hadn't failed it? Maybe it was only the verdict of one examiner and not the other? Maybe the overall result will change once they have met and discussed things further? All probably futile questions seeing as I spoke to my internal on the phone in tears and told her that I couldn't believe I had failed. Surely if they weren't going to fail me, she would have said something?!

Anyway, I will keep you all updated. I will of course appeal on varying grounds (not academic judgement as I understand) but will be keeping these confidential in case examiners look at this forum...you never know. I am unable to begin the appeal until my result has been confirmed by the board of examiners which, like I said, should be in the next few weeks. And there I was thinking I could finally shift all my focus to my career...sigh.

Thank you all again for your advice :)

Thread: Inconsolable - Failed PhD after R&R

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04-Feb-16, 14:17
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posted about 1 year ago
I don't even know what to write. I've been crying for hours trying to understand what has happened.

I submitted my PhD, did my viva and was given an R&R (please see my old posts for more details). I worked so hard over a 9 month capacity to do all the corrections asked of me. I provided my examiners with a separate document detailing all my corrections etc. My resubmitted thesis was massive (153,000 words) but they had asked me for more chapters and told me to take NOTHING out.

After a 3 month wait, I received an email this morning from the office saying that I had been given 6 months revisions. After much confusion, they then clarified that this meant minor corrections. I was relatively happy with this - it looked like no second viva needed to happen and that the end, although prolonged, was in sight.

An hour later I received another email from the office apologizing that they had given me the wrong result and that my examiners had actually decided it was insufficient standard for a doctoral award and that I could resubmit in 6 months and endure another viva if I wanted to go for an MPhil.

I've been ringing my supervisors and they're not responding to my emails or phone calls. I just got off the phone with my internal examiner (she was the only person to pick up the phone). She was clearly gobsmacked by the fact I had called her in tears but no one is giving me any answers. The office said the reports from my examiners are still incomplete so I can't even find out the reasons why they failed it.

I have wasted five years of my life, have bound copies of two massive PhD thesis' just staring at me...all my career prospects have just shattered in front of me (I'm currently lecturing and wanted a career in academia).

Please can anyone tell me what my options are? I'm absolutely devastated. Crying whilst typing.

Thread: I've Reached the Peak of PhD Stress: Waiting for my Result Post-Viva

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21-Jan-16, 17:26
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posted about 1 year ago
As per the title, I'm waiting for my PhD result after receiving an R&R verdict a year ago. To summarise how I'm currently feeling, I think the words impatient, anxious and borderline insane aptly sum my mood up.

As I'm sure everyone in this forum knows, embarking on a PhD is one hell of a journey. I've been looking back at my old posts from years ago where I was sat in the good old university library starting out on this turbulent journey. I've endured the stress of writing, re-writing and then re-writing some more. I've endured stress concerning the ineptness of both my supervisors. I've endured stress over my viva being a shambles. I've endured the stress of my university losing my viva report. I've endured the stress of a years worth of corrections to my thesis. I've endured the stress of editing, re-editing and resubmitting. But this stress of waiting for my (perhaps) final result....I CAN NO LONGER TAKE IT PEOPLE!!

I resubmitted my thesis 9 weeks ago (November 2015). My supervisor expected a two week turn around...I think not. I got told that my result would probably be with me this week. Well, tomorrow's Friday and I've heard absolutely nothing.

My result could be anything from a pass, to minor corrections, to a re-viva...even a downgrade to an MPhil. I've got a temporary lecturing contract coming to an end soon and I desperately need this PhD. I've worked so hard and dedicated five long years of my life to it. I'm terrified that after all this hard work...it still won't be mine. The possibility of actually receiving an email tomorrow saying "congratulations, we recommend to the board that you be awarded your doctorate"...I just don't see it happening. My journey just ain't been like that.

So that's it. Just needed to rant. Is anyone else with me in the struggle?!

Thread: Resubmission and unsupportive supervisor

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04-Jan-16, 17:16
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posted about 1 year ago
Hi Ephiny,

Reading your story was like reading my own! I was given an R&R just over a year ago and had the same problem with my supervisor who told me he wouldn't be reading any of my work. Considering my examiners asked me to write two new chapters I was very concerned that having no supervisor feedback would put me in a comprising position.

In the end, I didn't make a formal complaint as such. I ended up writing to the admin office and asking what the official guidelines were on PhD supervision after viva. My enquiry concerned them as it was obvious I was receiving no supervision. They ended up forwarding my e-mail to the head of school even though I never asked for this to be done! Anyway, a week later my supervisor got back in touch with me and told me that he "didn't remember" saying he wouldn't read my work (a convenient memory lapse there!). Yes, my supervisor is a dirty liar but at least he made contact with me again and offered to read my new chapters which, at the end of the day, was all I wanted and was entitled to.

I hope my story helps in some way. I wish you all the best, good luck! :)

Thread: Waiting for R&R Result

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02-Dec-15, 18:22
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posted about 2 years ago
Thank you so much JStanley - your support throughout this process has really helped! I don't blame you for choosing a non-academic career. I'm still in academia part-time but not sure I could commit to it full-time...there are parts of it I love (such as teaching/inspiring) but other parts (such as this ridiculous bureaucratic system) that I hate. Fortunately I don't have any mental health issues (no more than the average person anyway!) but the stress of this PhD has certainly made me feel, at times, depressed, angry and isolated. Like you say, for people who have been diagnosed with mental health problems situations like this would be an immense struggle for them.

I will of course let you know how I get on as soon as I hear anything. I've decided to check my relevant email box twice a day (once in the morning and once late-afternoon) so as to structure my agitated mind!! If not I'll be checking it every hour and probably for the sake of nothing! Thank you again for all your help & advice - keep enjoying life outside the insanity that is academia! :)

Thread: Success! Thanks to all :)

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01-Dec-15, 20:48
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posted about 2 years ago
Congratulations!! It sounds like you really deserved this - proof that hard work and perseverance pays off! Enjoy your celebrations :)

Thread: Waiting for R&R Result

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01-Dec-15, 17:07
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posted about 2 years ago
Quote From Hugh:
It must be a very difficult wait! But the good thing is you do not need to go through a viva again?

If you have addressed all the concerns of examiners point by point, I do not think you have much to worry about :)


Thanks Hugh. Unfortunately I may well have to endure another viva...it is a possible outcome. I could get a pass, minor corrections, second viva, downgrade to MPhil or straight out fail. I've done everything my examiners asked me to do...the wait, however, is making me panic. I'll let you know of the outcome! :)

Thread: Waiting for R&R Result

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01-Dec-15, 14:14
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posted about 2 years ago
I submitted my revised thesis 2 weeks ago now but the wait feels more like 2 years. I'm really hoping to get my result back before Christmas but perhaps I'm being a little optimistic.

I wrote to the school today to ask what the official turnaround time for my result is. I was expecting it to be anything up to 3 months but instead got told the following from the postgraduate office:

"I can’t give you a definitive answer on this I’m afraid. It all depends on the examiners current workload and how long it takes them to read, analyse and make comments on your thesis."

Now I'm panicking that I might have to wait six months for my result...bearing in mind I originally submitted my thesis over a year ago. Is it just me or has the PhD system in the UK got some major flaws in it? No one in the process seems to care about the mental health of the student (at least not at my university) and the whole process seems so open-ended and torturous. Anyway, rant over...I think I need to practice the art of patience! To say mine is wearing thin after five years would be an understatement...
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