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Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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31-Mar-17, 18:10
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Wow that was like watching a tragedy with a great ending. I nearly feel like giving this thread a movie review LOL. Congrats Faded!


Haha thank you! It felt like I was in a movie at times...a very bad one!!

And just to confirm: it still hasn't sunk in!!

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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09-Mar-17, 15:26
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Thank you so much everyone - it all still feels surreal! A forum party is definitely required!! :)

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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08-Mar-17, 11:41
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Well everyone, it's been a long and tedious wait since my Viva in 2014, two correction periods, a lost viva report, incorrect results released to me, an insane external examiner, many tears, many breakdowns...and a lot of perseverance....and I am pleased to announce as of today that:

I HAVE MY PHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The panel have determined that I be awarded my PhD with no further revisions and have stated that they I have done everything asked of me. They even wrote in their report that it was clear I was asked to adopt a very different ideological stance by my external and hinted that this was a bit out of place. Hallelujah!

I was sat eating my lunch in my office at the university where I work and casually opened up my email account without expecting anything. I'm so used to checking my emails 20 times a day and receiving nothing, so when I saw the subject title 'Outcome of panel - good news', my heart literally stopped beating. I had to get my colleague to read the email to ensure that I wasn't hallucinating!! I then had to go and teach a seminar shortly after and all my students clapped and cheered for me - it was so overwhelming and SO, SO, SO worth it.

A MASSIVE THANK YOU to everyone on here who has taken the time to write to me with words of encouragement and advice. You don't understand how much it lifted me during the times I felt like I'd never see the end of my PhD. I'm sure these threads will help many PhD students in the future (although I sincerely hope nobody ever finds themselves in my situation!) so THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I have dreamed of being able to write on this forum that I've got my PhD...and I've bloody well got it!!!

If you want something in life, never stop fighting for it. Even if it takes 8 years...! Finally, a happy ending! :)

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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08-Mar-17, 11:33
by faded07
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Hi Faded. I got my corrections approved so I am officially done! I really hope you get a positive answer very soon too.


Amazing stuff! Many congratulations to you - I hope you are celebrating in style! As for my result, I am just about to post a response to the thread below...and I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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05-Mar-17, 15:06
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by faded07
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Have you had any news yet, faded? I'm handing in my resubmission at the end of the week. The thought of months of sleepless nights is killing me already!

Mus


Hi muspectrum,

Unfortunately I still don't have any news. It's been nearly a month since my university put this internal panel together and I'm still none the wiser.

I've been sending off job applications for lectureships this week and it's felt so demotivating to still have to put 'Miss' as my title instead of 'Dr'. My viva was 27 months ago and I've been through two revision periods...yet I'm still waiting for my PhD to be awarded. I have to endure being relegated to the back of the job application queue even though I've written nearly double what other people have in my field have written to gain their PhD. Most of my colleagues thesis' average at around 80,000-90,000 words. Mine is 163,000 and I still might have to write more if this internal panel agrees with my external that a third revision period should be permitted.

Anyway, rant over. There's nothing I can do but wait and I certainly can't chase it any more.

I'm sure your resubmission will be successful - my circumstances are incredibly rare so don't let my story demotivate you. Congrats on resubmitting and I wish you all the best - let me know how you get on! :)

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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21-Feb-17, 18:19
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by faded07
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Faded - thinking of you. I am waiting to hear whether my admendments have been accepted and it is all I can do not to check my email every five minutes! I don't know how you must be feeling on tenterhooks all this time!


Hi timefortea, so sorry to hear you are experiencing the same anxiousness as me! It is truly awful checking your emails every hour and wondering whether 'this time the email will be there'. If it's any consolation, you'll probably get your result before I get mine!! My university have been so bad...I can't bear the thought of another 5 month wait, I just want it to be over.

Please do let me know when you get your result. Wishing you all the best - in the struggle together! :)

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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17-Feb-17, 10:04
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Just hang in there. Stay calm and continue ticking along. You are so near and things seem to be going in the right direction. Good luck


Thank you Tru! I'm trying my best to focus on work which has helped a lot. My thesis does seem to make an appearance in my dreams every night though...! I just hope the wait doesn't go on for months.

Will (hopefully) post an update soon!

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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16-Feb-17, 15:26
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Nowt new to add, Faded, just sending you best wishes. Wishing & hoping for a speedy and positive resolution to all of this for you.


Thank you JStanley - the end has been a long time coming!

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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15-Feb-17, 12:04
by faded07
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is it, faded07. I can't imagine how you have found the patience and resiliency to keep going through all this - no one has done more to earn that Dr title than you and I hope you will have it very soon now.


Thank you so much for your lovely message, it means a lot during this difficult wait. I feel so close to it now...really hope this turbulent story has a happy ending. Will keep you updated!

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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13-Feb-17, 14:25
by faded07
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How is everything, faded07? Did they sort out the internal examiner for you?


Hi Tru,

Thanks for your message. I emailed the university last week as they still hadn't appointed anyone - I stressed that my job opportunities continued to be limited etc and they replied saying they couldn't give me a time frame for when a new internal would be appointed.

Anyway, long story short (and after another week of rage on my behalf!), they conveniently informed me a couple of days ago that they have now appointed a new internal. This is an academic I have met briefly before (about 3 years ago now) who seemed professional and fair so fingers crossed. In keeping with their usual mantra, the university are unable to give me a time frame of when this process is likely to be complete and have informed me that it could take 'several weeks'. The passing time never gets any less frustrating but there's nothing I can do but comply for now. I just can't bear the thought of a compromised ending whereby I'm told I have to embark on a third revision period...I shudder just thinking about it!

I will of course let you know when I hear the result. Thank you for all your (and everyone else's) support.

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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02-Feb-17, 11:27
by faded07
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Hello all,

Thank you for your helpful comments and advice. I resubmitted my thesis at the beginning of the week which equates to my fourth submission now. I did include a separate document detailing where each of my revisions were in the thesis and how each one answered the examiner's report etc.

I'm hoping this is a positive move - I didn't view the situation with the greatest of clarity when I heard what the next step was. I think after waiting for so long and enduring so many negative situations, I have a severe lack of trust in my university and the PhD system in general. I just hope the university are choosing to support me now and won't be governed by the unprofessional and inconsistent recommendations of my external. There is a general consensus amongst my academic colleagues and supervisory team that my external undoubtedly 'has it in for me'...but it just makes no sense. I've only met her once, on the day of my viva, and, since then, have done everything that she has asked of me up until this point where I refuse to do any more. I guess that's something I'll never know.

The university still haven't confirmed who the internal expert will be. They've been sitting on that decision for almost a month which, again, I deem far too long under the circumstances.

Two job opportunities came up yesterday which I will apply for but, again, without my PhD I am relegated to the back of the application queue. The longer they take to draw this process out, the more it affects my career and job opportunities as my temporary lecturing contract comes to an end this summer.

I hope that the university will recognise that time really is of the essence now but, from my experience of dealing with them, they generally think we're all going to live forever and have no conception of time or deadlines.

So my patience is wearing thin but, as per usual, I have to keep waiting...

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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27-Jan-17, 18:43
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by faded07
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posted about 9 months ago
Hi all,

I received an email today regarding the reconsideration of my proposed third round of revisions. After a 3 week wait, the university have decided that an independent internal panel need to re-assess whether they feel I have addressed the revisions already done so far. Two academics will be on this panel - one is the Deputy Vice Chancellor who is a Professor of Immunology (bearing in mind my PhD is in Sociology and his expertise therefore lies outside my discipline), the second person still hasn't been chosen. I fail to understand how the university can keep me waiting for 3 weeks and still don't even know who the supposed internal 'expert' will be.

They said I could work on the latest revisions asked of me (that is 'up to me'...which seems shady) or I can resubmit my thesis as it is. It all seems very strange and tedious.

Maybe this 'expert' who is yet to be appointed will think I've done what was asked of me...but then what? Will I get my PhD or will this just go into another dispute with my external? And say if this 'expert' thinks I haven't done what was asked of me, even though my internal examiner thinks I have, where does that leave me? My university seem to be going round in never ending circles and, in the mean time, my career prospects continue to deteriorate.

I'm going to take 1-2 days to think about it but would really appreciate any advice or insights. At the moment, I'm planning on resubmitting my thesis as it is as I believe I followed the examiner's report closely and did what was asked of me. I can't believe it's now been 26 months since my viva.

And the sleepless nights continue... :(

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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25-Jan-17, 18:21
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by faded07
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posted about 9 months ago
Quote From tru:
Hi, faded07,

Any updates?

It is very likely that your chair will seek to find an internal independent person to have a look at your corrections. They should not move the goal post, so they should only assess how well you responded to previous comments and the corrections done. No new reading of the entire thesis should be required, and so no new comments should be added. Please download and have a look at the criteria for a PhD award in your university and demonstrate how you have ticked all the boxes.


Hi Tru, I'm afraid not. I got an email from the chair a week ago thanking me for my patience (which is a first) but haven't heard anything since. She did say the process (whatever process this is) may take a week or longer...it's been over 2 weeks now. I'm frantically checking my emails every day. The more time that passes the more paranoid I get. Will let you know as soon as I hear anything...

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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13-Jan-17, 18:43
by faded07
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Hi, faded07,

Good to know that you still have some fight in you. If you have PASSED with minor corrections, you cannot FAIL after your corrections.

For the potential appeal (hopefully you will never have to do it), have you sorted out the documents properly? In other words, have you printed out and documented every email, conversation and actions related to your case in a systematic manner? Have you drafted a cover letter referrencing every single evidence you have? You might want to start doing that if you have not, so that you are ready whenever you need to use them. Have you also spoken to the Student Union's Education Advisor or Lawyer (Assuming you have these at your university)? You might want to show them your documents and ask if there is anything else you might need. They can also advice you on who to appeal to, processes etc.University staff generally close ranks very quickly and may not point out the best resources for your case, unlike Students Union.

Besides this, can you check the interest of your external? Is she having conflicts of interest and that is the reason for all these delays brought on by her?

However, I really hope that you need not go through appeals. Speaking from experience, an appeal against any university staff/unethical conduct requires a lot of time and effort, even if the evidences are all in your favour. But then again, your revisions will take a very long time as well with no guarantee of a positive outcome. So, honestly, you have nothing to lose. I still hope your chair will come back with favourable news.


THANK YOU so much for your helpful advice. I will definitely follow through on all your suggestions when I have confirmation as to what is going on. I'm really hoping this doesn't go to appeal but I'm ready to fight if it does!

Thread: Examiner Disagreement

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13-Jan-17, 18:41
by faded07
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posted about 9 months ago
Hello all,

Thank you again for your supportive comments and helpful feedback - it really does make a difference.

The chair has informed me that she has discussed my case with a senior officer at the university (I don't know who this person is - no details were given to me). She told me that they are 'keen to get this issue resolved' and that I'll receive correspondence soon. Apparently this may take a week or longer because 'several steps have to take place'. She apologised for not being more specific but assured me that my case was being taken 'very seriously'.

So I have no idea what this means. Will I get an email in the coming weeks that will end all this and tell me that I'm being awarded a PhD? Will I get an email that says I am still expected to do a third round of revisions? Will I get told that the thesis must fail because my external examiner refuses to pass it?

These questions will be consuming my mind over the days and weeks ahead. I'm frustrated that the chair didn't give me more precise information as I feel I have been given hope and I don't want to build it up for it to be quashed once again. My university have mastered the art over the years of 'fobbing me off' in a variety of spectacular ways so I remain a cynic at heart...

I'll let you all know when I hear anything. Any positive vibes - please send my way!!
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